Fountain Farm Rule Time Limit

[CumInMyAssPlz]

Excessive fountain farming: fountain farming for over three minutes or so is not allowed; end the game as soon as possible, because kills do not give you an important bonus

3 minutes is bullshit. That's a long time. This "rule" might as well be nonexistent because it doesn't prevent anything. I completely fail to understand the point of a rule against FFing but with a loophole large enough to render it ineffective.

I'd challenge whoever made/agreed to that 3 minute rule to just actually play normal DotA, let alone LoD, and watch how many kills can be achieved with a full 3 minute grace period.

The problem is the way the rule is worded: first it appears to make FFing allowable within 3 minutes "or so", but then it says "end the game as soon as possible". So which is it? As the following replay log excerpt shows, this is consistently exploited by unscrupulous players in order to boost their kills because "it hasn't been 3 minutes yet".

Now, nothing personal against any of these players; they honestly didn't do it ANYWHERE NEAR as bad as I see on a daily basis in at least 1 game. I'm not even pursuing any kind of ban or anything. This is just to demonstrate the amount of bullshit which goes on and as I mentioned in another post, activity and lack of proper rules like this only contributes all the more to serious lack of credibility.

(28:05) opt_in killed holw-thw-wi
(28:23 / Allied) ROTTEN: lol
(28:24 / All) Y-O-I-O: Dann fick ihn doch !
(28:32 / All) Y-O-I-O: im minirock .. dann fick ihn doch !
(28:39) gagokaba killed HinterseerHansi
(29:06) Y-O-I-O killed ROTTEN
(29:12 / Allied) ROTTEN: ...
(29:14 / Allied) ROTTEN: yellow
(29:14) gagokaba killed Y-O-I-O
(29:14 / Allied) ROTTEN: lol
(29:22 / Allied) Dum_Fuk.: i lost controll
(29:24) DespaiR killed holw-thw-wi
(29:25 / Allied) Dum_Fuk.: trying to buy lmao
(29:31) gagokaba killed HinterseerHansi
(29:36 / All) Y-O-I-O: okay finish .
(29:37 / Allied) Y-O-I-O: !ff
(29:37 / All) DespaiR: [Y-O-I-O] has voted to forfeit.
(29:37 / All) DespaiR: 3/4 players on the Scourge/East have voted to forfeit.
(29:40 / All) ROTTEN: gg
(29:46 / All) cuminmyassplz: totally
(30:05) gagokaba killed Dum_Fuk.
(30:07 / Allied) ROTTEN: lolol
(30:15) gagokaba killed cuminmyassplz
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(30:28) opt_in killed HinterseerHansi
(30:40) ROTTEN killed Y-O-I-O
(30:45) ROTTEN killed cuminmyassplz
(30:48 / All) cuminmyassplz: can't wait to post this replay
(30:54 / All) cuminmyassplz: really shameful to FF after such a wackass game
(30:54 / All) ROTTEN: hasn't been 3 minutes
(30:58 / All) cuminmyassplz: bullshit
(31:02 / All) ROTTEN: watch it
(31:04) Dum_Fuk. killed DespaiR
(31:06 / All) me0w: lol
(31:09 / All) DespaiR: This game was hosted by GHost++ (www.codelain.com).

So basically, what it hasn't been 3 full minutes so it's ok? Or the rule says "3 minutes or so" and then I can ask for a ban? Or, what about the part which states "end the game as soon as possible"? This means "do whatever you want"? Now it sure seems like a longass time ingame; I had thought for sure it was 3 mins and I just wanted to fuck with them and shame them. However this had the opposite effect of making them even more confident to get a few last kills as the throne is on its last few hps. Again, nothing against any of these guys, and really they didn't do it very bad at all. It's just the principle of it, and I'm only using this as an example because it finally just was the last straw, even though it wasn't as bad as other games I've seen.

In conclusion, I'd really like to see not only a more explicitly-worded FF rule (no ambiguity or loopholes), but also if you insist on allowing players to FF, then at least make it more reasonable like "1 minute". And as for the "end the game as soon as possible" part, this either needs to be concrete and solid--"don't fountain farm"--or if you don't really mean it, just take that part out, because it doesn't make any sense to say "end the game as soon as possible....BUT....not REALLY as soon as POSSIBLE...you can FF for 3 minutes"

[uakf.b]

I think we should delete the rule since other team can just !forfeit.

[CumInMyAssPlz]

I agree. It's painful to have the team refuse to forfeit and then I'm afraid of being banned when leaving and other team insists on FFing, and with no escape, I have no choice but to sit there.

People would take !ff and FF a lot more seriously, and we'd have a lot less wasted time and skewed K/D/A ratios if losing team just !ff asap when it seems obvious winners are drawing it out to FF.

Of course that doesn't help when 1 person doesn't want to or refuses to be a dick, and everyone else suffers, same as !votekick situation.

Honestly I don't understand why it's allowed in the first place, regardless of 1 minute, 2 minute, 3 minute, or 30 minute time allowed. It's bullshit.

[Yondaime]

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