MH Check

[Bubblestorms]

Your battle.net username:Bubblestorm
Violator's battle.net username:l.jazzybazz- and simplycomedy
Game name (if known):[ENT] DotA apem us/ca #80
Bot name (for example, ENT15):ENT11
Approximate date/time of game (alternatively, link to a Stats page): http://clanent.net/openstats/game/492722/
Replay:http://s5.clanent.net/replay/view_replay.php?file=492722.w3g
Rule player violated:MH I think
Time of incidents (Note in-game timer or replay timer):
10 minutes in phoenix how he followed me
20 minutes watch husk and how he follows invis"
Any further thoughts: They were following me rather suspiciously when I was using weaver and always seemed to know where I was going. A check would be nice thanks.

- Fixed the links for you. - Agreements

[v.v]

Please list the time of the incidents in which these events happened. For example "Name was following me at 14:32" Thanks!

[Bubblestorms]

ugh I dont know how to check for fog clicks and hero clicks soum thought I would just let the admins see if there were any

[Bubblestorms]

Link me to our statspage. and i will.

I think you did that for me >_< So, anyone see anything suspicious?

[v.v]

Banning player: simplycomedy for map hack, es would follow weaver very closely and all around even while weaver is invis he would chase him around (for example chasing weaver to secret shop and using enchant totem while chasing weaver) also, to help add to the suspicion of map hack, when bubblegum did say he was reporting this game for map hack, simplycomedy was the one to reply defensively, out of all people. As for pheonix, someone may look closer on to him.

[uakf.b]

Someone should double check the ban on simplycomedy to follow with new policies.
Edit: actually, since this doesn't involve fog clicks, you must wait until another admin analyzes the replay before banning. I am unbanning simplycomedy for now.

[Jazzy]

Hi, if I can act for my defense,

you can check closer, I don't have mh... At minute 10th, I dived because I saw weaver going trough river, I was thinking she would go to secret shop and not by the middle. (If I had mh I think I would have passed between the two middle towers). EverytIme you do a good move it's mh, you try a dive (that i failed), it's mh...

For simplyComedy, I saw him moving around and didn't understood before seeing weaver but L.DeenBurbigo was on a vocal chat with me, we shared informations, that's all, we have been on french league (Argh) & DotaLeague for a long long time, maybe we are more awareness than a weaver feeding from level one or two.

Best regards.

[Bubblestorms]

Doing a good move is one thing but following in a heros footsteps is another, especially an invisible hero. Es is the most suspicious one for me though.

[Jazzy]

I never follow you during the whole game man, I don't know why you keep harrassing me, I just saw es on you at secret shop so I came...

[v.v]

Jazzy dont worry you look clean after watching it again. Sorry uakf.b, didn't get a chance to read the new policy. But just wondering Jazzy, did SimplyComedy seem alittle suspicious to you in his movements or pings?

[Jazzy]

As I said, he did special moves but I'm not pro in checking for mh, looking replay I can say he has lucky moves on following weaver or maybe mh, it's up to you to judge

[Mambo]

to be honest it looked like really lucky but then again it looked like maphack was involved but cant be 100% sure

[Bubblestorms]

Well, since this isn't 100 percent sure perhaps the best solution is to leave it as luck? I don't really mind any longer since it wasn't as obvious when I watched the replay a few more times. Up to admins though.

[AssPennies]

Hey bubbles. Figured I'd offer a little basic insight into catching maphackers so that you may be more successful in the future.

1. If you think someone is maphacking, never make it known to them (or anyone) that you'll be watching them. Why? Because if they are indeed maphacking, they'll be far less likely to do anything suspicious for the remainder of the game. Check out My video on baiting a hacker to see this theory in action.

2. When good players are on vent/steam etc., together they play differently. Area sweeps are done more efficiently, they tend to control the map better and overall their coordination is generally flawless.

3. When reviewing a submission for maphacking, also take note of the things the player does that could show that he's NOT maphacking ie. checking runes, getting ganked, making bad predictions. Like at:

1:53 (game time not E.T.)- Es goes in to gank the pudge but doesn't notice weaver. ES had half hp and you probably could have killed him had you not backed.

8:20 (when you believe you were followed in fog)- Phoenix attempts to predict your movements and kill you but he was not correct.

How did they know you were headed mid from top?
Your shucuchi emits a blue plasma as you pass units so you never passed ES Plus you have no items, your shucuchi CD is very high at that level and they both walk MUCH faster than you, so the chances of them catching up and killing you is in their favor. All they need to do is catch you when you're revealed at mid.

How did they know which path you took from top to mid?
Based on your playstyle and early deaths, good players will assume you take the obvious path (which you did) Also they are venting and simply cover all ground as they head mid with their superior MS.

[uakf.b]

Denied but putting SimplyComedy on "watch list".
Edit: replay attached for future reference