Pegase MH finally caught

[Frank]

Replay Link: https://entgaming.net/openstats/game/12256814/
Game Name: [ENT] DotA apem us/ca #19
Your Warcraft III Username: exposecd
Violator's Warcraft III Username: pegase
Violated Rule(s): MH
Time of Violation (in-game or replay): 14:16 ingame time
Any further thoughts: Void dodges me blindly using MH in fog so i dont kill him using my ult (LUNA) very blatant, he laters drops out from the game which my suspicion is that he tried turning it off after getting called out.

[MR_Nimbuss]

That explains the d/c hes been having. lol but pegase mh-ing is fooken hilarious!

[iambackk]

To be honest it's a long time i told mike i think pegase maphack, but seeing the guy gameplay and his "skill", i did not take the time to check it.

I will check your replay

[iambackk]

@mikejones need your opinion here, it's hard to ban him based on this move. it can be some reason's he do that or simply running back, and actually he could have used his ultimates before and okey let's said it's maphack move, then why did he run to your wood knowing you are here if he run back from you with his mh?
I think he used it actually, but on this proof it's hard to ban someone, i'll let mikejones opinion here

[Frank]

Look at the incident two times start from 14:08 at half speed. Once with fog of war off and once with fog of war on from pegase perspective

He is clearly going to farm the big camp towards his base but sees that im heading that way so he changes trajectory. Lets say he knew I was lurking around since I was top lane farming at around 14:00 why would he ever with no vision or teammates dodge towards the lowground to the left...

This is as straigthfoward as it gets

[MIKEJONES]

After reviewing the replay with fog toggled on and off, the player's movement is highly suspicious. He moved with clear visibility of your approach, deviating right of the rock formations while heading north, which contradicts any intent to go left. His abrupt U-turn aligns precisely with Luna's proximity, strongly suggesting he had visibility. Let me be clear: cheating, including maphacking and game exploitation, is a severe violation. Players caught cheating will face a permanent ban. If this player is cheating, it could explain the random, unrecoverable drops linked to his MH errors, as noted in the post at viewtopic.php?f=7&t=148759.

Note: Determining whether a player is guilty of maphacking is often speculative, particularly when based on a single move.

Let's try address two complaints at once and have @terminatator (Pegase) himself come forward to explain his side of the story, including the frequent unrecoverable drops that are causing the most disruption.

Player is temporarily banned with ban notice to come visit the forum.

[Astros]

I don't think this is maphack. I think he initially wanted to farm the neutrals but saw better farm in the lane so he clicked into top lane and it changed his path.

He had decent enough HP (600) and your ulti wouldn't have killed him instantly so he would have had enough time to timewalk out of your ulti range when you casted it if he was paying attention. He could have also chrono'd and tried to kill you or chrono'd and ran before you could ulti. There's also the plausibility of why he would even go top if he knew you were there. Also, the chrono he used was awful and you were clearly out of range in the fog. My guess is he wasn't even paying attention as he was pathing top and tried to chrono you as he thought you were still going to chase him. Either that or he has bad lag and there was a huge delay. Why would he let you chase him for 3-5 seconds and then chrono instead of immediately using chrono?

Really don't think this is maphack. If you weren't there, he'd probably path the same way. It just looks more suspicious than it probably is because of a coincidence in you also crossing towards him the moment he paths top.

[Frank]

Assuming no MH i knew he was coming towards me due to my ward there so id ulti + lucent beam ministun which could kill him depending on his reaction time.

Your reason could make sense if they had any sort of vision in their jungle but they didn't. It would be really dangerous for him to be walking into lowground vs a LUNA that could be there since I was just there top lane farming 8 seconds ago.

This is MH but Ill find other instances if I have to just haven't looked before

[MIKEJONES]

I don't think this is maphack. I think he initially wanted to farm the neutrals but saw better farm in the lane so he clicked into top lane and it changed his path.

He had decent enough HP (600) and your ulti wouldn't have killed him instantly so he would have had enough time to timewalk out of your ulti range when you casted it if he was paying attention. He could have also chrono'd and tried to kill you or chrono'd and ran before you could ulti. There's also the plausibility of why he would even go top if he knew you were there.

Really don't think this is maphack. If you weren't there, he'd probably path the same way. It just looks more suspicious than it probably is because of a coincidence in you also crossing towards him the moment he paths top.

I would agree if it was a good player maphacking they would choose to completely avoid that area. However, I can put myself in his perspective cause I am a low level player myself like him and would bank on the fact Luna would turn around and not actually come towards me as he is deep in enemy turf. The gamble was a loss and instinctively he made an abrupt hard left. As I've mentioned it still speculative and we all may have our own opinion.

To be honest I'm more concerned of his issue with disconnecting mid game and if it keeps happening its affecting 9 players every time... viewtopic.php?f=7&t=148759

[Astros]

Assuming no MH i knew he was coming towards me due to my ward there so id ulti + lucent beam ministun which could kill him depending on his reaction time.

Your reason could make sense if they had any sort of vision in their jungle but they didn't. It would be really dangerous for him to be walking into lowground vs a LUNA that could be there since I was just there top lane farming 8 seconds ago.

This is MH but Ill find other instances if I have to just haven't looked before

Right, but then if he knew all this, why would he go to the jungle in the first place and only decide to run away from you when you're directly next to him? Why would he even path to the top neutrals side initially if he knew you were there and not towards the rune side of the neutrals? My point is it's more likely he simply changed paths than he tried to tease you with a kill only to change directions at the least second.

If you weren't there, are we sure he wouldn't make the same move? This is the first I've heard of Pegase maphacking and maybe he does but this alone wouldn't be enough, IMO.

[Astros]

I don't think this is maphack. I think he initially wanted to farm the neutrals but saw better farm in the lane so he clicked into top lane and it changed his path.

He had decent enough HP (600) and your ulti wouldn't have killed him instantly so he would have had enough time to timewalk out of your ulti range when you casted it if he was paying attention. He could have also chrono'd and tried to kill you or chrono'd and ran before you could ulti. There's also the plausibility of why he would even go top if he knew you were there.

Really don't think this is maphack. If you weren't there, he'd probably path the same way. It just looks more suspicious than it probably is because of a coincidence in you also crossing towards him the moment he paths top.

I would agree if it was a good player maphacking they would choose to completely avoid that area. However, I can put myself in his perspective cause I am a low level player myself like him and would bank on the fact Luna would turn around and not actually come towards me as he is deep in enemy turf. The gamble was a loss and instinctively he made an abrupt hard left. As I've mentioned it still speculative and we all may have our own opinion.

I would like Pegase to come forth and give him a chance to speak on both issues especially viewtopic.php?f=7&t=148759

It boils down to this: Do you think it's more likely he changed paths by clicking somewhere top or that he wanted to tease luna and then change directions at the last second?

Because if the sole purpose is he maphacks, you're basically suggesting that he wanted to tease Luna. Otherwise, he would have avoided that place altogether. I doubt Pegase would do that.

The lag issue isn't related to maphack because he's dropping from games 2 minutes in as well. If you check his ping, he's probably 100+ ms so it tells me he doesn't exactly have the best connection to begin with.

[Frank]

he went to the jungle to go farm cuz he is void afterall and the safest farm at that very particular time was the big camp
he maybe thought id farm the othercamp next to it but then he saw that i didnt and i was going to meet him so he panicked

he got careless and didnt wait to get actual vision of me before "Reacting"

[Astros]

he went to the jungle to go farm cuz he is void afterall and the safest farm at that very particular time was the big camp
he maybe thought id farm the othercamp next to it but then he saw that i didnt and i was going to meet him so he panicked

he got careless and didnt wait to get actual vision of me before "Reacting"

Even if we assume that was the case and his exact thought process, it wouldn't be enough to ban him.

If he replied with "I was going top to farm the lane when I saw no one was there", there is nothing a moderator could say to question that.

[MIKEJONES]

As I've mentioned my opinion are speculative especially on a single move. Meaning I am not inclined to make a judgement on this complaint unless @frank has more to evidence to provide or if @iambackk has anything else to add.

Regardless what the reason is on game drops, it's ruining game for 9 players at a time. He must come on the forum and respond.

[Frank]

You're making me work for this I like it. Ok lets say as you said he clicked the top wave creep like you said the shortest path there would be towards me.

How do I know this? I went on a single player mode and tested it. From where void is take any hero and click on the creep wave location and it will path towards my direction north. same thing if he uses the minimap to path there and even if he clicks around. HE WOULD have to be manually clicking the left direction to change his pathing there.