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[Aghnaar]

At the start of this year, when i started playing DotA again after a long break, i didn't wanna play -em cause some years before i was playing in competitive games and stuff, so easy mode in my mind was the noobs mode xD. Problem was that u had to wait way longer for a non em to be filled, and sometimes it would not be filled at all. Also, my favorite modes are -rd or -sd, modes that really nobody joins in non em. An ih league though would be great.

[Fangorn]

I agree, and I support Qtrinity on this. It would overall be the best option

[BlackSpade]

This topic wasn't meant to solve that problem originally. Differing the lists will for a starter, hopefully, make the decent players who play easymode at this moment, start to play standard dota. Or, they can continue on easymode, that's their decision.
The whole point is that standard dota takes more skill to master.

If one idea was rejected before, doesn't mean it won't happen. I'm interested in the communitys thought on this.
Also the staff of course!

imo, skill doesn't really apply in pub games (it doesn't matter if its em or non-em) people are going to favor stacked team and majority of the people that plays dota tend to try to favor stacked teams and would prefer to be mixed in with team that seems to be having higher elo/kd ect.. in general em games are less skilled in terms of mechanic but in-game plays vs 2 teams skill doesn't usually matter due to the fact that 1 team is usually going to be heavily favored at start of the game in terms of stats where dota games are stacked vs lessor skilled team so basically games usually comes down to team 1 (more skilled) vs team 2 (lesser skilled) so by having separate stats list wouldn't do anything to the matter you're thinking of unless you only count stats for auto balance games (auto balanced games would make things more accurate) but to make auto balance work! players shouldn't be able to have more than 1 accout per player.

[nabo.]

pub games are simply pub... Skill levels are assumptions and winning by skill in pub has more to do with how you LEAD your team through balance, teamwork, leadership, critical decisions. It is true that non-em games uses more of the dota mechanics, but it does not mean em games are simply for noobs. Justifying em=noob, non-em=pro is funny. If you get beaten by a player who plays em often, you will be laughed at greatly. How you use the resources given and utilize them....depends on your play, item decisions, play decisions... Of course, I prefer ap and I had a lot of games in ap previously (over 1000s), but fact is, they fill so slow in ENT compared to Cash. Even Cash games are dying now sadly.

About team balance....lets not speak about it. Whether it is a premade or unbalance, does not matter. You join a room to have fun whatever the team is, the teams are open to any public. You are free to play or free to leave.

If you want to play competitive game, you should look for inhouse games/clans or leagues (priv games).

If you are one of those who criticize about ELO, 1) Pub is pub 2) Elo does not accurately mean skill...simply a way to rank 3) You play long, consistent, your elo will rise naturally; You play bad= your elo will fall 4)a LOSS...is not only teammates' fault, but also yours. 5) Stop cry about ELOs and Losses, you dont seem to be talking about your wins much. 6) You want to get ranked? Simply climb up. You are given the same conditions: ENT community, friends, a computer. What more you need? 7) Play -cm more often.

*** ENT ih league would be awesome.

[teller55]

There used to be an Ent in house league, but not enough people joined and it was horribly inactive so wee got rid of it.

[Fangorn]

Yes, and I can understand why the league died that time, if it still applied the same conditions as today.

I am weary of facing stacked chimps who wants credit for beating randoms. I assume the league died due to the same issue we have today; the stackers are probably more than enough to consistently play private games, yet they join the public ones.
- Reason: Statwhores defensively protecting their stats to avoid elo-loss
- Outcome: Winning pubgames with a 3-to-5-man stack easily. They will meet reduced competition, hence their skillevel will decrease/hold.

The elo will rise, but only to a point where it becomes hard to climb. Stacking with friends is alright. But stacking with players after having checked their !sd is defensive and cowardly. This doesn't only apply to the average pubber, but also those who got decent elo.
A call to the easymode-stackers:
1. /whois ent5 - join
2. Stay where you are, stop !sd'ing people
3. -Random a hero, play that hero to it's full potential
4. Lead your team to victory by giving positive feedback/tips to your teammates

This is the recipe to gain better understanding of each hero, instead of picking a lame carryhero, or a cheesy nuker etc. Being at the top of the statslist doesn't prove anything at this moment, as all their games tends to be stacked.

My wish is that we have a more fair statslist. As I see it right now, it can be solved by:
- Allowing each player only one account (like in Dotalicious)to avoid "elosnipers"/"ghosters" etc. If two brothers ("My brother played, and got me banned, unbann me plox????? ) share ip, this can be solved by webhat etc. Internet-cafes, do people use those anymore? In the last league I played, we banned cafes. That would depend on the circumstances of course.
- Have a vouching system for league-play.
- Splitting the statslists into standard and easymode. This will help motivating players to go for standard dota.

I'd take all of them!

[BlackSpade]

People who plays for stats are always going to play for stats
it changes nothing!! what you're asking for is and won't change anything. The fact that you trying to somewhat say that stats define players skill?? is complete bullshit!! unless you have same certain amount of people playing vs each other for lone period of time!! because players sometimes do have bad games ect but there are players who have decent stats but play like shit and thinks they are good (not arguing, maybe they have their own opinion about level of skill in dota different from mine and others). basically what im saying is that, stats means nothing! it doesn't prove anything so to say "this way is going to do this and that in general public game is just waste of time because in the end it solves nothing.

[ipwnipwn]

"3. -Random a hero, play that hero to it's full potential" "instead of picking a lame carryhero, or a cheesy nuker etc. Being at the top of the statslist doesn't prove anything at this moment, as all their games tends to be stacked."
u totaly wrong, if u joined an ap game, they dont have to random, u random cuz u want, but u playing "all pick" they have the right to pick what/e they want, and pick a carryhero isnt lame,usually good players pick the carryhero to carry his team

[BlackSpade]

"3. -Random a hero, play that hero to it's full potential" "instead of picking a lame carryhero, or a cheesy nuker etc. Being at the top of the statslist doesn't prove anything at this moment, as all their games tends to be stacked."
u totaly wrong, if u joined an ap game, they dont have to random, u random cuz u want, but u playing "all pick" they have the right to pick what/e they want, and pick a carryhero isnt lame,usually good players pick the carryhero to carry his team

But when you play carry hero, you get carried by a player that plays support heroes!! so your comment is invalid

[RESTLESS]

"3. -Random a hero, play that hero to it's full potential" "instead of picking a lame carryhero, or a cheesy nuker etc. Being at the top of the statslist doesn't prove anything at this moment, as all their games tends to be stacked."
u totaly wrong, if u joined an ap game, they dont have to random, u random cuz u want, but u playing "all pick" they have the right to pick what/e they want, and pick a carryhero isnt lame,usually good players pick the carryhero to carry his team

But when you play carry hero, you get carried by a player that plays support heroes!! so your comment is invalid

A good carry can get the job done by themselves and are a good pick when you cant rely on your team in pubs.

[BlackSpade]

A good PLAYER can get the job done by themselves and are a good pick when YOU DONT GIVE A FK ABOUT team in pubs.

FIXED!

[ipwnipwn]

spade, lets be realistic, in pubs game no1 really support.... even the ppl that pick support heros use their skills to ks and they get more kills than the carry

[BlackSpade]

Who gives a shit... people are too fking scared to play vs stack or better players
cuz retards think stats indicate their skill level when in reality they're low skilled bob.
and also these are the people who talks mad shit after winning like .05 elo games so its fking pointless tryin to debate with retards who have brain of bricks.

[Fangorn]

Any conclusion on this?

[Chantry]

Who gives a shit... people are too fking scared to play vs stack or better players
cuz retards think stats indicate their skill level when in reality they're low skilled bob.
and also these are the people who talks mad shit after winning like .05 elo games so its fking pointless tryin to debate with retards who have brain of bricks.

Spades right, it changes nothing if you split them.