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[teller55]

It's not the time requirement @uakf.b has no life anyways, and more than likely it would take him <1 hour to do. That's not the issue, the issue is whether or not people want this, it seems very few people support this idea (I could be wrong, but from what I've read, that seems to be the case).

[HateLose]

I honestly don't understand how you Dota players think em mode and non-em mode are the same? The HUGE difference is, in an em game, any losing team (regardless how bad they are losing 41-10) always has a chance to catch up and turn the game around and win. In a non-em game it's impossible for the losing team to comeback from a deficit like that. EM = Easy Mode. People play EM, because it is faster and EASIER. The team synergy needed for non-em vs em is completely different too. That's why there are no tournies or top level league play with em mode. Maybe it's because I moved over to HoN and it's a complete difference in em vs non-em, same with Dota2. I'm pretty sure all em players say its the same, while the non-em players know the difference. Either way, doesn't matter to me because I don't play Dota anymore, but I personally think this would be a good implementation.

Edit: There are many different aspects of em vs non-em. It isn't just the faster xp or gold you gain, or the towers dying faster. The meta is pretty much different. As I quoted some of the difference in my previous post. (saying its the same is pretty much an insult).

[EdgeOfChaos]

Why do you think kills are all that matter in DotA? I've won when the enemies had double our kills. Anyways, em and non-em are just different modes of the same game, so the stats shouldn't be separated into two different pages. EM is part of dota. It would be like seperating Rabbits vs Sheep into four separate stats for 2 win, 3 win, 4 win, and 5 win. Too messy with no real point. Why shouldn't we have a separate stats page for -ar mode or -sd mode? They are very different than AP too, yet no one is asking for a new stats page for those.

[Magiccookie]

in em games u can win games solo with a hard carry this is by far harder in a non-em game thats one reason why im playing em , another one is cuz im sometimes to lazy to lasthit xD

[HateLose]

Why do you think kills are all that matter in DotA? I've won when the enemies had double our kills. Anyways, em and non-em are just different modes of the same game, so the stats shouldn't be separated into two different pages. EM is part of dota. It would be like seperating Rabbits vs Sheep into four separate stats for 2 win, 3 win, 4 win, and 5 win. Too messy with no real point. Why shouldn't we have a separate stats page for -ar mode or -sd mode? They are very different than AP too, yet no one is asking for a new stats page for those.

You compare the game modes of -ar -sd -ap- cm -rd to game types em and non-em games? You are right, kills don't have everything to do with Dota. It's TEAMPLAY....like magiccookie said, "in em games u can win games solo with a hard carry"....not possible in non-em. The build (laning items, early game items, mid game items), strategy, skill (ability) differs from em and non-em games, depending on the hero. Sorry, if I'm mistaken, but this is the HUGE difference in HoN, which is a copy of Dota, LoL, Dota2 (IceFrog was involved in all these games....LoL, im not positive on). Therefore although non-em and em games are the same game of Dota, in actuality it is a different game, because the Meta involved.

Again, this is just my opinion. I figured I throw it out there, since I don't see many people noticing the major difference in em vs non-em.

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[EdgeOfChaos]

Everyone knows the difference between non-EM and EM. But that doesn't mean it should be split up into two stats pages. I'd say AR is more different to AP then APEM is to AP anyways. Still shouldn't be split into two stats pages. It's the same game, but a different mode. The stats pages are only organized by game.

[Fangorn]

I understand that the ones who play easymode defend their mode. However, easymodes seperate so greatly from standard dota, that it is pretty much on the side. It's a whole new game. Claiming that the difference between ap and ar are greater than between ap and em is absolutely bollocks. Non-easymode requires a whole lot more understanding of the game as a whole. It's not enough to stack with a mate and go ganking in non-em, if the opponents have a great carryplayer. No matter how good the carryplayer is in easymode, the gankers will probably win, because the carry is farming in vain. Lasthits doesn't matter in easymode.
I've played in quite a few servers up in the years, and most of them had seperated -em from the rest, stats-wise. Those were more competitive-based, sure, but I still think easymode differs too much nonetheless.

[EdgeOfChaos]

How about you make a poll in the main post and see is more people like or dislike.

[Tascar]

I honestly don't understand how you Dota players think em mode and non-em mode are the same? The HUGE difference is, in an em game, any losing team (regardless how bad they are losing 41-10) always has a chance to catch up and turn the game around and win. In a non-em game it's impossible for the losing team to comeback from a deficit like that. EM = Easy Mode. People play EM, because it is faster and EASIER. The team synergy needed for non-em vs em is completely different too. That's why there are no tournies or top level league play with em mode. Maybe it's because I moved over to HoN and it's a complete difference in em vs non-em, same with Dota2. I'm pretty sure all em players say its the same, while the non-em players know the difference. Either way, doesn't matter to me because I don't play Dota anymore, but I personally think this would be a good implementation.

Edit: There are many different aspects of em vs non-em. It isn't just the faster xp or gold you gain, or the towers dying faster. The meta is pretty much different. As I quoted some of the difference in my previous post. (saying its the same is pretty much an insult).

Totally agree with HateLose.

And unfortunately 90% of the players playing in clan ent are at a low or scrubby player including many of the so called "top players". I will not get into the whole list of problems with the ELO system (smurfing, trolling, stacked teams of players or arranged teams) which is a related but side topic; EM mode definitely is a game ruiner though.

What people don't understand for EM mode is that it artificially rewards aggressive play. It's completely different than regular mode. In both modes if you die, you die once, but in EM mode the other guy basically gets rewarded 2X. Good Dota is all about defense. Compounded with the fact that most players are terrible scrubs with weak defense, you run into the situation where some guy feeds 2-3x in a lane resulting in one guy being like level 10+ when everyone else is 5-6 which completely ruins the game.

[EdgeOfChaos]

@Fangorn how about you start a poll to see the opinions of the users?

[Fangorn]

Sure, but I'd rather want to hear peoples opinions in this topic written down. But if a poll is what is required, I suppose I'll make it.
Any other thoughts from Agreements, since you were appointed by the botowner?

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[Magiccookie]

i played now much non-em games and have to say for me they are far easier to win then em games xD

[Fangorn]

Pubstacking with mates is usually easier in standard dota, because your opponents doesn't get alot of gold, unlike in easymode. Also you can rely much more on your teammates overall. Easymode is all about autoattacking, random encounters and ganks basically

[EdgeOfChaos]

Those are dumb poll choices. Just make it yes/no..

I never said a poll was necessary and opinions are good too, but since this topic isn't getting approved or rejected fast, it'd be helpful to see what the majority wants.

easymode is almost like standard dota anyway

This is clearly a false statement, and not everyone who votes no will agree with this (I certainly don't). The poll is invalid right now because the no option is obviously not what I have been saying all topic long. Please quote one time when one of the people against it said easymode is just like standard dota..

The point is, even though it differs a lot between regular and EM mode, someone can still be against this idea, and so the poll choices aren't lined up with the arguments people have given. Please just set them to yes/no.

[Fangorn]

Five people managed to choose between the two choices so far. The choices were written based on what was argued from the easymoders.

I got even more stupid by reading these quotes again, but here they are, as you asked for.

which happens more often than ap? besides how is em not normal dota... em doesnt make the game any easier? it makes it faster... everyone gains the same bonus gold so how is there any easier to that if the farm is exactly the same for everyone....

everything is exactly the same except in non em its less xp and less gold... so in em its a faster version and the benefits negate since they apply to all

Anyways, em and non-em are just different modes of the same game, so the stats shouldn't be separated into two different pages. EM is part of dota. It would be like seperating Rabbits vs Sheep into four separate stats for 2 win, 3 win, 4 win, and 5 win. Too messy with no real point

'd say AR is more different to AP then APEM is to AP anyways. Still shouldn't be split into two stats pages.

Easymode differs too much from standard, so this conclusion is absolutely rubbish.


I wasted 5 minutes of my time pasting these quotes.
Please, just vote and be happy like everyone else.

Don't hesitate with commenting people!