Banning antistuck in Legion TD 3.5 B4 map

[RadiantCrystal]

Recently all the replays I viewed in 3.5B4, there's will be at least 1 person antistucking (wisps/towers) getting team advantage. This is game ruining to the extreme and should be treated as maphack because it really is. You can change tower behaviour with fog on and lumber production whenever you want. You can also change tower behaviour causing them to go mid before creeps reach them to gain advantage during a race (a skewed form of clog only in this version)

Therefore, I suggest banning antistuck in this map except when creeps are actually stuck and should provide a heavier ban.

[nabo.]

So, why ban on ent57, but not on ent18? O_O

[RadiantCrystal]

Because on ent18, you can't do such things as described above.

[nabo.]

Well ya, there are more ways to abuse AS on LTD beta. So, I wouldnt mind banning it.

Antistuck

Can only be used on your side of the map.
Can not be used to kill-steal leaks from your teammate unless your teammate is dead.
Can not be used to delay units from returning to the king.

We currently do ban for AS abuse on enemy towers or wisps.

For cases where people antistuck so their toweres tp to mid and clear clogged waves......we can just add a rule saying "Cannot antistuck yourself to tp mid" or something.

Or we can reword the rule and say "You can only antistuck to catch leaks or when creep is actually stuck" and ban all other AS cases.

Or ban all AS cases unless actually stuck, which may be easier to moderate.

[RadiantCrystal]

Personally I would pick ban all except when creeps are actually stuck. Because it makes the rule simple, clear, easy to administrate and also get people's self awareness up. If this is the case we can also get the bot announcement to be like AS is forbidden other than when the creeps are actually stuck so that hopefully less people will abuse it

[supersexyy]

Abusing anti stuck maliciously is already banned, what does this rule actually bring?

[RadiantCrystal]

Banning all would allow easier administration, simpler rules and clearer boarderlines as there won't be any "grey" area. Also could bring a new bot message to raiser people's self awareness and hopefully reduce the activity of abusing this function

[nabo.]

He also wants to ban players who antistuck all their towers so all tp mid and clog the game killing units easier.

Never seen 4 players do this, but I guess it can happen.

[donotpingme]

There is a problem with this. If anyone has ever crossed using beast as the value you would know that your greymanes will sit down and not return to the center unless you anti-stuck them. You can actually time when the greymanes return to the fray by selectively antistucking them a few at a time. Without the antistuck you are ruining the race or at least taking the bears out of the crossing selection.

[donotpingme]

I have been the victim of having my wisps antistuck. I have had antistuck used against my towers about to teleport to the king so that another player could get fed. I have had my cross disrupted because someone was triggering me using antistuck. I did not bother reporting. I believe the admins are probably flooded with complaints about morons and the guy would end up banned anyways. If someone is that ticked off about an event they already can put in for a ban we don't need to change the game as it is. Save the Bears! Wheres PETA when you need them.

[eldryan]

it would seem like the clog isn't as bad without delay from towers being in lane? maybe bad for race.

[matdas]

Using Anti-Stuck to send your/ally/enemy units to the king without fighting creeps is indeed game ruining.

Rules will be adjusted shortly.

[matdas]

@art)y

Add in legion td beta under antistuck:
"Cannot be used on your own/ally/enemy towers to send them to the king without fighting creeps"

[aRt)Y]

Roger. Will be added on Saturday.