Posted LTD Rules

[Avatar_Ship]

I said deabtable because it depends on the situation. Our rule was not intended for cases where people use king's skill to prevent king from attacking or stall time. But, it is true that people do and could do this and this would fall under "prevent king from attacking". There have not been any report regarding such usage of king's skill because it is simply not a big of a deal.

Well, it's something I do but don't want to do if it's breaking a rule. Technically, it delays the king from damaging units.

For now, lets leave it that we will not ban for such cases until I see someone abusing it bad somehow.

Okie.

Again... it was announced in lobby/games as an auto message.

I missed that being said. I also missed the auto message, but then again, I rarely pay attention in lobby. I recall the merc rule change being announced, but not the king control one.

But, ass I said, feel free to suggest w/e sounds best.

Okie! I will do so.

[aRt)Y]

@Avatar_Ship Are your questions answered now?

[Avatar_Ship]

@ aRt)Y

Are your questions answered now?

Not sure I had a question so much as a suggestion of change regarding how the rule was unclear. As nabo. has kindly said I'm allowed to re-write the way it's written as a suggestion for clarity, that's what I'm in the process of doing.

The question I did have was if using wave/stomp to delay the king killing/damaging units was also banned (as delaying the king killing a unit by switching target is) , which nabo. has said is not.

I did want to thank all contributors to the thread: yourself, nabo., supersexyy, and diablo_. While I did contribute to the original discussion, I wish I had kept on top of it better.

[Avatar_Ship]

@ nabo.

My suggestion is as follows:

Delete the line that reads:

Intentionally preventing the king from killing or attacking units (king juggling) is forbidden. Whereas switching the target to kill sent (priority) units is allowed.

Replace it with:

King control: As with Legion TD In-House, all forms of delaying the king from killing units is now considered king juggling and banned. The exception to this is in using a king ability, such as wave or stomp, which is permitted. Otherwise, it is permitted to change the target the king is attacking only in the following circumstances:

1. Changing the King's attack to attack a higher priority target, such as Kraken, Lock, Demon, or any other send. The King then must kill that target before attacking a new target.

2. Changing the king to target a creep with lower health than the one he's attacking. As with the first exception, the king must finish killing the creep before moving on to a new target.

Otherwise, moving to a different target without killing the current target first is now considered juggling and banned.
It is still legal to pick which target the king attacks next, at the king controller's discretion.

Unless there's something I've missed, I think this is clearer to read.

[Mercy]

I like how you have worded it, Avatar. I think it would be good for clarification.

[aRt)Y]

Reduce the text to 3 lines maximum and we are fine. We are not interested in writing a screed to the rules.

[Avatar_Ship]

Thank you Mariah. I think the goal is for everyone to be able to play within the rules and have fun doing so.

[Avatar_Ship]

Reduce the text to 3 lines maximum and we are fine. We are not interested in writing a screed to the rules.

You're a difficult man to please, aRt)Y.

How about:

Once the king engages a target, he must now finish killing it, unless using a king ability such as wave or stomp, or in changing the king's attack to a higher priority target such as Kraks or Demons. Otherwise, switching targets before killing them and/or preventing the king from attacking is now considered juggling and banned.

Not as precise and encompassing, but certainly more concise.

[nabo.]

It is obvious that we do not want a long list of rules.

Fix dat grammar please.

[Avatar_Ship]

It is obvious that we do not want a long list of rules.

Short and sweet works for me as well. If I had a free hand in making the rule, it would read:

Using an exploit to prevent the king from attacking is juggling and banned.

Half a line, you're done, and it lets people get on with playing. But, apparently, I've been informed people want more elaborate rules. You can either have rules or have brevity *shrugs*

Fix dat grammar please.

I'd be happy to fix any grammatical errors, please point out where you feel there are any.

[Krumme]

@nabo. please - he is trying hard to come up with something that not only would help him but make it easier for you mods - you could atleast take what he wrote and fix the grammar you feel needed changed - I agree that this clears it up alot better than the old rulephrase

[nabo.]

@krumme please - help him out too.

He is writing what we already wrote/suggested during discussions in the past.

This was a matter of "wording", so it is easier to understand the rule(s). So, if he wants to change the wording, he can suggest how he wants it to be worded is all.

Imo, the current rule is understandable and makes sense to me.

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But, anyway, lets move on.

Once the king engages a target, he must now finish killing it, unless using a king ability such as wave or stomp, or in changing the king's attack to a higher priority target such as Kraks or Demons. Otherwise, switching targets before killing them and/or preventing the king from attacking is now considered juggling and banned.

I believe this whole confusion originates from the fact that "juggling" actually means making the king "dance". Meaning, players taking advantage of the king's slow attack animation and preventing him from attacking by mass clicking targets.

Changing targets to avoid killing a creep and/or stalling time for cross units to tp mid...is a similar type of abuse regarding gold and time. But, it is technically not "juggling" aka making the king dance.

Therefore, why dont we separate this into two rules?

1) Juggling: preventing the king from attacking (by abusing its attack animation or dancing the king).
2) It is prohibited to (stop the King's attack and) change target to avoid killing, except to kill higher priority units (Ex. krakens, low hp?) or to use the King's skill.

***We may exclude the bracket parts.

If disagree, I'll adjust Avatar's phrasing.

[Qvist]

I agree with nabo. Where is the problem? Don't speculate in king control, pretty obvious kingjuggle is bannable + in terms of fail delay on second wave in cross where u switch targets for not killing the units is not really delaying the game but is broken as hell.
My comment is move on, king juggle is not even worth it, so don't.

[Avatar_Ship]

@nabo.

He is writing what we already wrote/suggested during discussions in the past.

Actually, I'm trying to clarify how the current rule is written, which doesn't seem to have been a topic in the past.

I believe this whole confusion originates from the fact that "juggling" actually means making the king "dance". Meaning, players taking advantage of the king's slow attack animation and preventing him from attacking by mass clicking targets.

Yes.

Therefore, why dont we separate this into two rules?

1) Juggling: preventing the king from attacking (by abusing its attack animation or dancing the king).
2) It is prohibited to (stop the King's attack and) change target to avoid killing, except to kill higher priority units (Ex. krakens, low hp?) or to use the King's skill.

Sounds good to me, if you prefer. My only suggestion is to change "avoid" to "delay". By switching targets, technically, you're not avoiding killing anything, you're just delaying it. As long as you don't stop the king from attacking, then it will eventually die, hence, the king hasn't avoided killing it. Also, 1) should be written as a rule, rather than simply stating what juggling is, so just add "is banned" at the end of the sentence and you're good to go.

[nabo.]

@Avatar_ship

Do not juggle the king preventing the king from attacking (by abusing its attack animation or dancing the king)
Do not (stop the king's attack and) change target to delay killing, except to kill higher priority units (Ex. krakens, low hp?) or to use stomp or shockwave.

Ok now?