Stats on LTD No Cross bot

[Krumme]

I have said this a few times before and what I keep hearing from pub players is that they wont play no cross bot because it's individual stats instead of same stats as on the other bots
People don't want to start all over EXCEPT the 30 people that voted here on forum - but does the 30 people really reflect the wishes from the majority and YES I DO REALISE that if they want to be heard they should vote on forum BUT I am not making this suggestion to gain anything by it BUT more activity on the bot which is ultimately the main goal (IMO)

So my suggestion is quite simple to change the single stats on no cross to merge them with the stats on the other bots (if that is even possible)

ps. please do NOT throw this suggestion in "Archive" before it has been talked through or it is 100% impossible to change (which I highly doubt it is)

[ThiaZ]

Agree'd...

However, I think it would be better, if they merged the stats of the normal legion stats with no cross stats, but only the first time you join the server.

For example:
I have 2000 elo at normal legion. But as it currently is, he would have 1000 on the no cross bot.
How i want it to be, is that the i would also have 2000 elo when i join the no cross bot.. as a starting point.. But after that, the stats no longer merges.
So if i lose 10 elo, i would have 2000elo on normal server but 1990 on the no cross.

Solution:
I think you could make a copy of the mysql database with normal stats, and just copy it to the new server, and let them run individually. That would be the perfect solution to the lack of activity imo.

[JunZzi]

So if i lose 10 elo, i would have 2000elo on normal server but 1990 on the no cross.

This is not possible, If we merge 2 stat brackets, a lose or win will effect on both No Cross and Regular bot. Its the same thing as LTD 3.5 And 3.1.

And yes its a suggestion, But we had the No cross forum + the poll up for over a month, and only 30 people or so voted and gave there opinion, The majority went with a new bracket.

Im against this suggestion, only because we discussed this for over a month & had a poll up for 3 or 4 weeks, how ever long it is.

I believe the way it is now is fine, If people don't want to put in the time to get back up in ELO, Well thats there fault,

This is a completely new game with no Cross, and the ELO from the regular bots shouldnt reflect on the new bot.

[ThiaZ]

@Junzzi, i do not see why it shouldnt be possible if its 2 separate mysql databases. Isnt it already that? All the difference is the starting point would not be 1000elo, but the elo of the other map :p

Bottom line, i dont care myself about having to get new elo, but i would love the waiting time to decline,...

[JunZzi]

Well i'm assuming it would have to be recoded, Because currently we don't have anything in place to allow us to do that, But im sure it could be done, It actually happening will take a while.

Waiting lines are long, Hopefully it starts to pick up, A lot of the players like cross... Because its easy

[Krumme]

"I believe the way it is now is fine, If people don't want to put in the time to get back up in ELO, Well thats there fault, "

Wrong attitude - as it is right now I think there is a solution to the low activity on the no cross bot and this could very well be it (along with the request made to the red/green admins/uafk.b) but I think every option should be attempted to make the activity rise before it will be forever stated as a "dead bot" and a waste of money for ENT

[JunZzi]

Explain to me this then krumme, Why shuld stats from a Regular bot, transfer to a No Cross bot, when its totally different game?

Elo shows what I would like to call your skill level, If someone if 1500, do you honestly believe that they will be 1500 skill level in No Cross?

Sure some will, But the majority wont.

And my "Wrong Attitude" Has all to do with how long the Forum was up for, Like i said, Over a month, Dozens of people discussing a new bracket or not, And all you have said is "a few pub players" But so far only one person has voiced there opinion on this matter, and he said he does not care about the ELO Bracket.

Right now more people are going to need to voice there opinion on this forum, Maybe another poll would be a good idea, But we will need that before we think about changing the Bracket right now.

[nabo.]

Ok, here are my thoughts.

Wasnt the No cross bot something of a HR bot?...so people can play more solo games in preparation for lihl?
If this was the main purpose for this bot, I do not think merging elo system is the ONLY way to motivate players to play this bot.

If the "elo" is the main problem...people must be elo whores and care for stats so much that they dont want a more competitive challenging game = sad reality.

It should not be a problem to merge stats. This concept of elo merging is simply like how the elo record process works for dota, there being apem sdem rdem etc etc many modes with the same map.

One problem though. If "elo" is the motivation and is the problem why people do not want to play this no cross bot... tell me why would they play no cross bot...when it is probably EASIER to double cross with friends and win in a normal ltd bot?

[iightfyre]

I personally do not think that we should merge the ELO between the bots. These are virtually two different games. The dynamic of playing "no cross" makes the entire strategy involved into a whole new ball game. Thus, gaining any ELO by crossing and using merc should not transfer over to a legitimate solo lane game. It's like saying that I want to take my winning Hockey record and use it to get into a Basketball playoff bracket.

If you want ELO at a no cross, no merc game. Earn it in a no cross, no merc game.

[Krumme]

Sigh...
@Junzzi - saying it's a totally different game is rubbish since it clearly is the same game just somewhat different strats - the vote was up for a long time but that doesn't make more people look at it than the usually forum users - my argumentation is that the majority of players on ENT does NOT use the forum and if they do they only use it to make complaints/ban appeal/ban requests

@nabo. seeing it as an HR bot has never been how I've looked at it and probably why we are of different understanding of what is the main goal for this bot
I see it as an just as active bot as the regular bot/maybe same activity as the Euro bot
Just clearing up some misunderstanding - I'm NOT saying this is the only way to make the bot more popular - I know for a fact that things are currently being done
And yes the average pub is a ELO whore - end of story -> also why this COULD be a good idea
- people crossing alot with friends know the power of cross and might want an even game playing alone than relying on some random pub to do the right thing in a cross (while playing vs a perfectly fine cross) = disadvantage

@iightfyre if the current things that are being done to increase activity on this bot does not work I'm afraid it will die within a month and I have waited WAY to long for this bot to just let it die out but if the majority is against this I see no reason this thread should stay open

Bottom line: another poll - and I'll state my point of view there and then the people ON THE FORUM can decide FOR ALL ENT PLAYERS once and for all I guess

[supersexyy]

I'd say normal Ltd elo is a decent indication of your skill level. The only time when cross and normal Ltd elo should 've separated is if there are enough games on the no cross bot for players to reach their 'true' elo. Currently nearly all players are bottled around the 900-1100 elo mark whether you are a good or bad player- so clearly if this amount of games keeps up the elo means nothing. I think it's worth a shot to merge elos. What all players want is activity with elo being a by-product. Without activity it is pointless to argue that cross elo is 'legit'.

[iightfyre]

@krumme - I'm right there with you, man. I want to increase the popularity of this bot. Let's work together to make it happen!

[Diablo_]

I always wanted to use the same ELO for no cross and normal bots. Activity is simply more important than having a (slightly) better balanced ELO system (no cross ELO is still pub ELO which doesn't mean much without matchmaking or at least autobalance). ELO would also balance itself a bit, so if someone with 1500 ELO isn't that good at solo building he will most likely drop over time until he reaches a more accurate rating.

Personally, just for me, I also prefer an own rating, but a merged rating is definitely better for the bot and the disadvantages aren't as big as some people might think. Sure, the ladder makes a bit less fun and ELO is a bit less accurate, BUT at least we get games started and can enjoy fair, as in no merc and no cross, games.

[JunZzi]

Maybe make another poll? And make an announcement about it?

[Krumme]

So just as the No cross bot this thread seems to be dead
I am not sure who to @ to make the poll happening so if someone knows who to contact that would be great

@iightfyre