Autohost [[ENT] Legion TD Mega 1v1 pro]

[oxoDus]

Link to map (or load code if it's on the public hosting bot): [ENT] Legion TD Mega 1v1
Slot layout if applicable (for example, if some slots need to be closed): 6 slots closed
Number of players until autostart: 2
Problems with map (like cheats and such), if any: Maphackers may appear
Why the map should be autohosted:
1) No +3 elo -30elo games
2) No time wasting vs noobs. (Let the noobs fight noobs)
3) look at nr 1)
4) It's so hard to find decent players when only noobs are joining and taking their place.(which consumes a lot of time too)
5) The game will be more competetive and more good players should be born.(example: you're a newbie who joins ent, u're at 1k elo and you see that top1 is 1.5k elo. "Wow, thats a huge gap, i'll never get there", Second, you play wc3 because It is a GAME, you dont wanna spend hours searching for good elo player to play against, because low player matches dont satisfy you anymore.
Special notes: I suggest creating a room in which only 1300+elo(1v1) players could join.

EDIT:1.3k elo really seems to big. 1200-1250 would be nice.

[Diablo_]

I would use it.

[Wake_N_Bake]

Solid games are hard to find so i would def play it.

[matdas]

What's so pro about it? There will always be a gap in player skill. as well as elo

[eldryan]

it will artificially inflate the elo of those 300 +. So I wouldn't support.

[abcdefghij]

Why not just remove the elo then for that specific 1v1 host ? Make it purely on the need to play good matches; I for one don't really much care about elo - a good match is worth a lot more.

That would both solve the OP idea & your valid objection.

[supersexyy]

I think this is a great suggestion. Ltd 1v1 bot has enough games to support this, and there are spare bots to support this.

What's so pro about it? There will always be a gap in player skill. as well as elo

That's the whole point on both accounts. Better matches for pros, better matches for noobs, games worth playing for elo and less 'elo sniping'.

it will artificially inflate the elo of those 300 +. So I wouldn't support.

No it doesn't, that's not how the elo system works, it would not abuse elo mechanics in any way.

Why not just remove the elo then for that specific 1v1 host ? Make it purely on the need to play good matches; I for one don't really much care about elo - a good match is worth a lot more.

I believe ELO is the basis of what makes the 1v1 bot popular. It is a 'true' representation of your skill level and elo keeps things competitive.

[eldryan]

it will artificially inflate the elo of those 300 +. So I wouldn't support.

No it doesn't, that's not how the elo system works, it would not abuse elo mechanics in any way.
I believe ELO is the basis of what makes the 1v1 bot popular. It is a 'true' representation of your skill level and elo keeps things competitive.

If you believe dodging doesn't abuse elo mechanics in any way, then yea, it doesn't, however it still artificially inflates ELO. +6 -24 matches vs 1100s are far more rigorous the +15 -15 matches vs only other 1300s. This would effectively wall off the 1300 bracket from vsing those who have lower ELO then them.

[Diablo_]

The ELO system isn't about "punishing" good players so they always risk to lose way more ELO than they can get. Actually +15/-15 games are ideal, so this "pro" bot would have no influence on the ELO system what so ever, except maybe that the best players can gain ELO faster. But again, it doesn't inflate the ELO, it just makes it more comfortable to find challenging games.

Btw. I think 1300 ELO would be a too high requirement as of now, as this would be only 36 players atm. Maybe 1250 ELO would fit better (54 players).

[matdas]

I think this is a great suggestion. Ltd 1v1 bot has enough games to support this, and there are spare bots to support this.

What's so pro about it? There will always be a gap in player skill. as well as elo

That's the whole point on both accounts. Better matches for pros, better matches for noobs, games worth playing for elo and less 'elo sniping'.

Um. If you believe that, idk what to tell you. The only way the bot would work is if both sides have same or roughly same skill level (or elo if thats what you believe decides skill). Otherwise it will be a sniping fest. There is technically no way of actually having a pro bot like this to work. You will see pro's making new accounts after they cant snipe anymore cus they just want to win. You want the bot to kick players until its an even match? The same thing will happen as in the current bot. +3 -27 or similar cases like this. If pro's want a pro match then they can wait to play against a pro.

[abcdefghij]

Might be easiest then to create a "clan" much like Dutch did for Civ Wars.

Let mass people join to make good 1v1's.

Seems the only way of solving said problem.. as the main issue is finding other good players worth playing.

[supersexyy]

it will artificially inflate the elo of those 300 +. So I wouldn't support.

No it doesn't, that's not how the elo system works, it would not abuse elo mechanics in any way.
I believe ELO is the basis of what makes the 1v1 bot popular. It is a 'true' representation of your skill level and elo keeps things competitive.

If you believe dodging doesn't abuse elo mechanics in any way, then yea, it doesn't, however it still artificially inflates ELO. +6 -24 matches vs 1100s are far more rigorous the +15 -15 matches vs only other 1300s. This would effectively wall off the 1300 bracket from vsing those who have lower ELO then them.

Dodging doesn't abuse elo mechanics. Playing people who have reached their true elo level is what the elo system is about. 'Effectively wall'ing is exactly the whole point of the bot.

The only way the bot would work is if both sides have same or roughly same skill level (or elo if thats what you believe decides skill). Otherwise it will be a sniping fest.

That's exactly what this bot is for - so you're supporting this suggestion.

There is technically no way of actually having a pro bot like this to work.

This is a completely viable suggestion

You will see pro's making new accounts after they cant snipe anymore cus they just want to win.

'Pros' dont' want to win, they want a good game, pub stomping is not in our interests which is why we want this bot set up.

You want the bot to kick players until its an even match? The same thing will happen as in the current bot. +3 -27 or similar cases like this.

It's a seperate bot.

If pro's want a pro match then they can wait to play against a pro.

A bot does the same thing, just quicker. It is also why the LIHL was set up as opposed to 'waiting' for good matches.

[matdas]

@sPS:ersexyy I am on my phone so forgive my shitty quoting. "Pro's don't want to win, they want a good game"

OK. Have a pub elo requirement. Have no elo for the bot. If they don't care about winning and only having a good game then setting up elo for the bot is pointless.


"It is why lihl was set up as opposed to 'waiting' for good matches"

Then allow 1v1 for Iihl. Then no wait and all games would be pro. (Unless its not possible. But it is possibly the best solution)

I'd reply to the rest but I find our views very different and we won't be able to agree on anything


Ps: if you see the word 'not' and it doesnt make sense change it to 'bot'

[oxoDus]

How about "ENT connect" users?

[Diablo_]

@matdas
Supersexy never mentioned that "pros" don't care about ELO, he just said that they won't make new accounts for the sake of just winning every game. ELO - besides motivating - also shows roughly the skill of players, so it is a requirement to find good games and should definitely be implemented for such a bot.
And I don't know why you would bring LIHL into this discussion, this suggestion is about a public bot open for everyone who has XXXX ELO on the 1vs1 bot. Other than that, mixing 1vs1 and 4vs4 stats would be a bad idea anyway.