no cross ltd bot

[bit]

cross brings alot of problems and stuff, just look at ltd brqs in past month. also i want to play ltd again, and there is no doubts alot of players wants to play on such bot too, they just dont use forum. Can we have a bot like old HR one, just without restrictions, and with only one additional rule; no cross.?

[supersexyy]

Relevant: viewtopic.php?f=43&t=20785

[bit]

currently there is no platform for training before LIHL, we need new HR bot. 15-20 wins restriction, no merc no cross.. sounds good? any thoughts?

[supersexyy]

The thing with this kind of thing is that it needs to be started up properly from scratch for it to gain momentum in popularity. It needs to be popular from the get-go (high amounts of advertising, encouraging other players etc) and needs to retain that player base otherwise it will quickly die out (like the old HR bot).

1. A clear set of rules will need to be established. Ie Is double building in mid from level 1 allowed? Is merc allowed? etc
2. High amounts of advertising to really get the bot going - messages on other ltd bots - promoting the bot #
3. It needs to be started from scratch Ie these things need to be decided before the bot starts up in order for it to be popular from the start.

If these can be established then a mid-tier bot (so to speak) like this can be established. It has many positives:
1. Lower league players will benefit from games with less 'pub stompers'
2. Mid Tier players will benefit from playing solo lanes and against better competition (I'm sure many are sick of cross building but are forced to do it to retain their elo).
3. The LIHL league will benefit as this bot will narrow the gap from pub to inhouse.

So if you're willing to put some work into making this a success (In a similar way ig0d worked his ass off for the HR bot) then I'm all for it and will be willing to help.

[bit]

if you forgot, i actually started waves of HRs when no one played there, Beep TKed Duckie in elo race at that time etc. i encouraged LTD players on channel clan ent in battle.net to join HR, ~same as i think ig0d did. also it's not hard to set an announcement on other LTD bots.

rules should be all solo + no merc imo, so players can prepare for LIHL there.

[matdas]

Easy, that dark green stripe, can't build behind that. Prevents all. (I do not care about the benefits about building further away. It's to prevent ALL unwanted: double builds, cross, etc.)

[eldryan]

I made post about this month ago. viewtopic.php?f=79&t=20983

[Diablo_]

I feel like a solo build rule won't work in pubs. I just fear that in most games ppl will swap auras or build towers so far behind that they pull other lane in etc.
But if I'm wrong I would support such a Bot (no merc, solo building).

[eldryan]

I made post about this month ago. viewtopic.php?f=79&t=20983

To summarize: Would let pubs join a league equivalent for HR that isn't vouch based, just ELO based (1200+), and would have similar rules to play as HR did.

[matdas]

I made post about this month ago. viewtopic.php?f=79&t=20983

To summarize: Would let pubs join a league equivalent for HR that isn't vouch based, just ELO based (1200+), and would have similar rules to play as HR did.

What about those who wipe their stats? (for example, me)

[eldryan]

this would allow all players to reset, so wouldn't be usable.

normally, however, there's seasonal resets, so could implement reset option for this every season.

[supersexyy]

So, does anyone want to draft up a set of rules for this bot?

[eldryan]

This should work.
1. MERCENARY
Under no circumstances is any player permitted to switch to the mercenary builder.
2. GAME MODES
Default game mode shall be selected as -hpgmcb with builder as prophet.
Alternate game modes can be chosen only if 100% of the players in the game agree to it prior to the game starting.
If red player fails to pick a mode (where the default mode is -ap) then players must all chose prophet builder or !draw the game.
3. THE BUILD RULE
All players must build on their own lane, and cannot build a tower that will attack a creep from the opposite lane.
Building any towers in the dark green area is prohibited.
4. THE !DRAW RULE
If any player DC's prior to the end of lvl 20 then it is mandatory for the remainder of the players to !draw the game immediately after the DC.
If a player DC's after lvl 20 then !drawing the game is optional.
5. ANTI-STUCK USE
All anti-stuck usage is prohibited unless the creeps are actually stuck.
6. PAUSE/AFK
Before pausing a player should always inform everyone that he is going to do so AND for how long - The game can always be paused upon a mod request (screenshot)
After a player has been AFK >10min he can be kicked WITHOUT question - if anyone demands it
The use of pause is NOT allowed to discuss strategy
7. SWAPPING
ALL players must be in game before any swaps are made.
ALL players must agree to the swap.
Any flaming/abuse/'convincing' with regards to getting a player to agree will not be tolerated.
Players have the right to disagree at ANY time. That means if a players agrees in the channel then he does not need to agree in the lobby.
NO means NO
8. OBSERVERS
Observers are only allowed to watch a game if 100% of the players in the game agree that it is okay.
Observers may not comment on strategies or give any information to any player in the game.
Observers are not to use the ping function under any circumstances.
9. JUGGLING THE KING
It is not permissible to change the kings target repetitively with the purpose of gaining more gold or time.
10. BUGS AND GLITCHES
Any use of game mechanics which results in a glitch or bug is forbidden.
11. MISC
If there are any rules in question that are not described above please refer to ENT's game rules found here: ENT Game Rules
Forum rules for the LIHL forums follow the same guidelines as all of ENT's forums. You can find the rules here: ENT Forum Rules

[JunZzi]

All of what ELD said is good, except this:

If any player DC's prior to the end of lvl 20 then it is mandatory for the remainder of the players to !draw the game immediately after the DC.

Half the time pubs will not draw, i know its 1200+ ELO, but pubs are ELO crazed its unfortunate, but there will be a lot of undrawn games, which we will have to implement new a new banable offence, which is ok, but we would have to agree on the terms.

For example:

First Offence of not Drawing: 1 Day
Second Offence of not drawing: 2 Days
...etc
Same thing for this, will have to make it a new banable offence.

Building any towers in the dark green area is prohibited

[eldryan]

Well, we could just uninvite them from clan for few days. No need to ban from pubs.