[Dota] PlisLeave -mh

[Jiminy_Cricket]

Replay Link: http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 898265.w3g
Game Name: [ENT] DotA ap us/ca #70
Your Warcraft III Username: jiminy_cricket
Violator's Warcraft III Username: PlisLeave
Violated Rule(s): mh
Time of Violation (in-game or replay):

135 replay time teal pings where axe is in fog
1059 as three heroes approach mid teal backs.
1445 very strange teal would take the back path when he just called for mid tower to be pushed. the heroes were approaching from that way and teal went that way as well.
2112 teal chases down pugna in fog. Pugna was headed back so teal backed. Then pug came back out and teal came back for him. 2131 teal turns back up the hill cause he knows pug went that way. Perfect fog tracking.
2755 with enemies ganking teal finds the perfect spot to tp.
2929 teal backs when enemies come over to gank.
3108 teal backs when another fog hero comes.
3120 teal blinks on pinks creep spot. Pretty odd he'd do that.
3140 teal goes back to woods for isolated axe.
3157 teal pings location of enemies.
2140 teal again pings location of enemies.
3333 teal perfect blink on pugna.
3430 he perfectly kills the wolves in the fog.
3510 he again goes in direction of isolated axe in woods. 3516 axe could have went either way and teal perfectly fog paths him again.
3925 teal again backs perfectly when heroes come in fog.
4225 he knows the all going to rosh. 4304 drops is portal to he can swipe ageis cause rosh is perfectly ready to die and be swiped. 4307 zzz blinks perfectly. 100000000000% sure hes mher.

@anotherworld (from the pm you sent)

Any further thoughts:

[AnotherWorld]

Yes it's exactly what i analyzed & tought also, specially the blink on ROSH aegis... really crazy funny.
He called Ursa to go straight there without having any clue they been, & without any vision BLINKED INTO !

[AnotherWorld]

!approved

PlisLeave banned 1 year

[nabo.]

4225 he knows the all going to rosh. 4304 drops is portal to he can swipe ageis cause rosh is perfectly ready to die and be swiped. 4307 zzz blinks perfectly. 100000000000% sure hes mher.

@anotherworld
Why is this mh?

[Jiminy_Cricket]

Very obvious mh to me nabo. I watched this guys moves in slow mo multiple times. He knows exactly where to go ALWAYS. And you just dont blink into roshan cave like that at the exact spot at the exact time rosh drops and snatch ageis. He did it faster than you can blink your eye lid.

[Jiminy_Cricket]

https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=54378

and he was banned for mh before... Let off really early...

It feels to me he thinks he can mh and just appeal his way out of it. It's a game to him to get away with it.

[AnotherWorld]

obvious because, you never blink into the side of aegis like that. U rush bot players from behind because they are low HP & not waiting aegis drop to blink direct on it

[nabo.]

Appeal: https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=62136

135 replay time teal pings where axe is in fog

Pings rune spot…and its 6.83 where runes spawn at both sides…
(01:34 / Allied) PlisLeave: get bounty rune guys

1059 as three heroes approach mid teal backs.

10:20 axe, mort, and krob dives bot tower to kill furi, they fail and destroy tower.
10:59 its 8min ingame time where new runes spawned and mid heroes go to pick runes…typical…
3 enemy heroes just destroyed bot tower, so it is highly likely for them to rotate to mid if sf continues to push. Abba is also mia. = 4 mia = backing is reasonable.

1445 very strange teal would take the back path when he just called for mid tower to be pushed. the heroes were approaching from that way and teal went that way as well.

14:47 is when sf turns back to uphill instead of going straight to ganking pa where others are. = this is exactly when axe becomes visible by mid tower coming out from sf’s jungle, therefore, reasonable.

2112 teal chases down pugna in fog. Pugna was headed back so teal backed. Then pug came back out and teal came back for him. 2131 teal turns back up the hill cause he knows pug went that way. Perfect fog tracking.

20:55 sf picks invis rune and decides to scout enemy jungle to pickup an enemy hero.
***21:04 pugna and abba are visible top lane. Axe is jungling nearby.
Sf does mingle around the jungle and has no intention to gank abba or axe (tanky heroes though to kill considering his first core is linkens). Interesting he goes towards pugna, but not accurate reaction seeing he is not on point chasing and attempt killing pugna. He gets vision of pugna going towards mid lane from top lane later again from up hill (instance after the mentioned 21:13 incident). Then, teal heads towards bot lane, but that’s reasonable seeing pugna went tat way or pink was at bot lane, so he could gank pink if right back timing. = Some suspicion

2755 with enemies ganking teal finds the perfect spot to tp.

Why is this some suspicious spot? Its between the trees….commonly how ppl tp away when pushing and he tps right away when his tp cd is off cooldown and when others become mia.

2929 teal backs when enemies come over to gank.

Sf pushes bot with ursa. Abba becomes visible and other enemy heroes are mia. He backs after clearing wave. = reasonable. The enemy heroes weren’t even ganking from the side of bot lane. They were at base, so nothing suspicious about this.

3108 teal backs when another fog hero comes.

31:06 Ursa just died fighting axe and krob at enemy ancients spot. Sf backs knowing axe is heading towards his way with possible uphill vision. Decides not to fight. = reasonable.

3120 teal blinks on pinks creep spot. Pretty odd he'd do that.

***Quite suspicious one, but his blink timing is not the best. When he actually blinks krob is already up hill and not in vision. Probably could have positioned way better. Why did he blink from there instead of going up hill from river then blinking where secretshop is and gank from there?

31:36 sf goes back to ancient neut camp. Axe was not isolated really…he just daggered into ancients. One reasonable explanation why teal may have went back is to kill newly spawned ancients considering spawn time (ofc none spawned since axe blinked in). But, instead of going towards ancients, he turns uphill = suspicious.

3157 teal pings location of enemies.

Reasonable ping seeing that they were chasing him. Two of his teammates came to aid him. So, it is obvious all expected they were around that area.

3333 teal perfect blink on pugna.

Pugna disappears from vision at 33:32 and fails. Stupid choice to blink in when there are 3 heroes. Sf wouldn’t have killed pugna if pugna reacts with decript+sceptor ult while 2 other teammates are around him.

3430 he perfectly kills the wolves in the fog.

Retarded comment.

34:50 After he picks up haste rune, he proceeds to gank enemy jungle. At 34:50 he has vision of a corpe at neut camp and vision of pink in jungle. Axe becomes visible at 34:54. 35:03 axe daggers from mid towards bot lane/secret shop area. 35:10 sf uses haste and looks for axe. Axe becomes visible killing ancients from uphill vision. = somewhat suspicious

3925 teal again backs perfectly when heroes come in fog.

Reasonable timing to back.

4225 he knows the all going to rosh. 4304 drops is portal to he can swipe ageis cause rosh is perfectly ready to die and be swiped. 4307 zzz blinks perfectly. 100000000000% sure hes mher.

42:12-42:30ish axe pugna pa and krob visible pushing bot lane.
(42:29 / Allied) PlisLeave: guts
(42:31 / Allied) PlisLeave: lets ROSH
(42:33 / Allied) PlisLeave: dotn let them rosh!
(42:39 / Allied) PlisLeave: go
(42:41 / Allied) PlisLeave: usa go rosh
(42:44 / Allied) PlisLeave: run there
Reasonable comment and expectation.
At like 42:50 while sf was going downhill to river from his jungle towards rosh, he had netherward status effect, so he can guess they are indeed roshing. 43:02 netherward is visible. 43:04 drops tp since full inventory. He plans to steal aegis, but ofc not aware how much hp roshan has. Although thinking of the heroes they have and expected time they were rushing, I would also guess roshan would be pretty weak or dead by now. 43:06 daggers in right on top of roshan and when it does, sf takes aegis. He didnt blink into aegis, he blinked into roshan. Wasnt fast at all...he was squirming to pick up tat aegis. Bold move, but possible. I wouldnt be doing this with the items sf had, unless I have bkb or lothars.

Roshan incident is bit suspicious, but not blatant.

@i3omb @f-train @gaara
Comment please.

[Jiminy_Cricket]

1059 definitely starts suspicion as three heroes approach mid teal backs. The rune spawned 10 secs earlier. Seemed like nevermore railed on the tower as long as he could till the heroes came.
Im also adding 1130 here. Nevermore chooses to head towards fog heroes over pushing tower ez. This is suspicious cause he chased down fog heroes the entire game.
1444 is when nevermore started goin up back ramp. Then changed his direction at 1445. 1447 if you watch in slow mo nevermore turns to go back up that ramp either slightly before axe is visible or at the same time (not enough time to process info either way). The whole time he wanted to go up that ramp to back gank.
2109 was eye opening map hack fog tracking to me. Watch in slo mo pugs movements and nevermore's.
2755 he just did this the whole game. Would farm farm farm and at the perfect time to tp he would leave the lane. Just perfect every time.
3108 this time stamp goes together with 3120. It's the ebb and flow. Fog heroes towards him, he backs then has fog hero isolated so blinks at it.
3120 teal blinks on pinks creep spot. Pretty odd he'd do that. Just so weird to go back in when he just backed out. He had blood lust for heroes (especially isolated and weaker) is what it looked like to me. And yeah his dagger only reached so far and his timing was just slightly off to catch krobo at the right angle.
From 3108 nevermores fog movements to this region were uncanny.3140 teal goes back to woods for isolated axe.
3157 This ping is significant because he pinged exactly where the three heroes were. You have no idea of knowing where they are. Mort was last see chasing nevermore just before the river. How do you know they are back up on the hill rather than waiting on the otherside or the river, creeping or moving towards mid? Perfect pings all game.
3240 Teal pings when they pushing. He knew they were pushing rather than backing. Pinged right on them. The ping at 3157 he knew they were backing rather than pushing. Both pings nailed right in the middle of the three heroes.
3430 he perfectly kills the wolves in the fog. I find this significant because ten secs earlier he was low life across the river, blinks to regen rune then shadow raises the wolves. Not uncommon to spell a creep spot but those creeps could have been golems and his raises would have done nothing or there could have been an enemy hero there and they could have ganked him. He raised then the wolves came out all in fog then he backed up and raised at them again perfectly where they were in the fog. Then heads towards the heroes. At 3440 he turns around because a haste rune just spawned and again it's a rune that really helps him.
3458 Nevermore is focused on killing lb. 3502 you lose vision of axe. Watch nevermores fog pathing towards isolated axe in woods to get his godlike (also note nevermore was not shopping). 3516 axe could have went either way. Nevermore perfectly fog tracks him the entire way.
3925 reasonable time to back yeah but just never a time where he tried to back too late. Never. There were probably 10 times this game where nevermore was creeping along and the enemies closed in and he backed or tped away at the perfect time to maximize pushing and not get killed.
4000 while running from krobo axe comes over in fog, at 4002 nevermore is facing towards woods which is the common path you take when getting away from hero. It keeps you in the trees and makes you hard to see. Nevermore then turns straight rather than through woods, avoiding fog heroes again.
4306 when nevermore blinked in he could see absolutely nothing. He blinks at the exact spot rosh is in cave just before rosh is about to fall. Tries to last hit rosh at 4307, picks up ageis at 4308. Eh ya. Whole game perfect movements at all fog heroes.

He was mhing this game. Reading his old ban from mh in the spring it was clear he was a mher who also lies about the fact he does mh. All those mods who said yes he is a blatant mher are tough mods to convince. And the fact that Kidtwist was lying through that whole ban process shows you cannot trust a word he says.

[KidTwist]

all the moves i was making that game was what any DECENT dota player would do. This is not perfect fog movements, i am aware of what is going on the map and i back when i feel i should. No maphack just a little brain power. most of the timestamps you gave were just retarded. you start to accuse me of maphack because i raze wolves in fog, i tp to home in a group of trees, i ping rune (not hero). As you can see this guy clearly doesnt know the game if he thinks that type of stuff is maphack. The main incident is the aegis swipe and i could see why it could raise suspicion but after watching the replay again you can see that what i explained is all true. I drop tp to create space if i get a chance for aegis, i knew they were roshing for sure when i get the wards passive on me and so i blink in to do some dmg. i was stronger than everyone and my team was right behind me as well as a furion, i knew if i engaged and blinked in they would have to stop roshing and fight me and we could win the fight. Turns out rosh was little hp anyways so when he falls i take the aegis. Also notice that i do not blink at "the perfect time" i simply blinked right when dagger was off cooldown otherwise i would have blinked even earlier.

[Hatedmaru]

2112 teal chases down pugna in fog. Pugna was headed back so teal backed. Then pug came back out and teal came back for him. 2131 teal turns back up the hill cause he knows pug went that way. Perfect fog tracking.
20:55 sf picks invis rune and decides to scout enemy jungle to pickup an enemy hero.
***21:04 pugna and abba are visible top lane. Axe is jungling nearby.
Sf does mingle around the jungle and has no intention to gank abba or axe (tanky heroes though to kill considering his first core is linkens). Interesting he goes towards pugna, but not accurate reaction seeing he is not on point chasing and attempt killing pugna. He gets vision of pugna going towards mid lane from top lane later again from up hill (instance after the mentioned 21:13 incident). Then, teal heads towards bot lane, but that’s reasonable seeing pugna went tat way or pink was at bot lane, so he could gank pink if right back timing. = Some suspicion

So nevermore picks up run at 20:55, enters scourge woods and sees axe creeping with pugna abba defending top nearby, mort was mid (only krob missing at this point) so he'd have to be insane to attack anyone at this point. From 21:09/10 sight of pugna is lost top; At 21:08/09 if watched closely, nevermore moves near the sight of the 1st creepspot on scourge forest, and a corpse is seen there just disappearing - meaning those creeps were killed recently, giving the impression someone was creeping nearby.At 21:16 never sees pugna going from top to middle, never proceeds to follow him at this point with sight of him all the time (nevermore follows him to mid, and during this timestamp, never can see pugna heading bot - where krob was: Considering his items (power treads, linkens) + invisibility ending soon, it's reasonable he quits chasing pugna --> Weird he goes near that uphill and follows pugna at 21:16, but considering the mentioned information, i can find it reasonable (low suspicious mostly).

3120 teal blinks on pinks creep spot. Pretty odd he'd do that.
***Quite suspicious one, but his blink timing is not the best. When he actually blinks krob is already up hill and not in vision. Probably could have positioned way better. Why did he blink from there instead of going up hill from river then blinking where secretshop is and gank from there?

EDITED (07/07) After ursa dies, last sight is krob going towards ramp and axe running down towards river, nevermore backs off and he sees axe in the river, and then goes back and waits for a while before blinking in - In this instance, i have the impression nevermore was expecting to find someone finishing those creeps (krobelus i believe), and only axe was seen coming into the river - reasonable (he even moves towards ancients)

31:36 sf goes back to ancient neut camp. Axe was not isolated really…he just daggered into ancients. One reasonable explanation why teal may have went back is to kill newly spawned ancients considering spawn time (ofc none spawned since axe blinked in). But, instead of going towards ancients, he turns uphill = suspicious.

EDIT (07/07) - Besides noticing the dead corpse of an ancient near the ramp, at 31:23 you can see mortred courier coming into shop as well so there's another reason for this movement, which ended in him finding axe in there - debatable movement

34:50 After he picks up haste rune, he proceeds to gank enemy jungle. At 34:50 he has vision of a corpe at neut camp and vision of pink in jungle. Axe becomes visible at 34:54. 35:03 axe daggers from mid towards bot lane/secret shop area. 35:10 sf uses haste and looks for axe. Axe becomes visible killing ancients from uphill vision. = somewhat suspicious

EDIT(07/07) Agree; Even though axe could have either gone towards ancients, or bot lane to defend incoming creep wave/push - nevermore movements are somewhat suspicious - He could have went there searching for axe as he daggered towards that direction, or search for new rune as he had picked top rune.

4225 he knows the all going to rosh. 4304 drops is portal to he can swipe ageis cause rosh is perfectly ready to die and be swiped. 4307 zzz blinks perfectly. 100000000000% sure hes mher.
42:12-42:30ish axe pugna pa and krob visible pushing bot lane.
(42:29 / Allied) PlisLeave: guts
(42:31 / Allied) PlisLeave: lets ROSH
(42:33 / Allied) PlisLeave: dotn let them rosh!
(42:39 / Allied) PlisLeave: go
(42:41 / Allied) PlisLeave: usa go rosh
(42:44 / Allied) PlisLeave: run there
Reasonable comment and expectation.
At like 42:50 while sf was going downhill to river from his jungle towards rosh, he had netherward status effect, so he can guess they are indeed roshing. 43:02 netherward is visible. 43:04 drops tp since full inventory. He plans to steal aegis, but ofc not aware how much hp roshan has. Although thinking of the heroes they have and expected time they were rushing, I would also guess roshan would be pretty weak or dead by now. 43:06 daggers in right on top of roshan and when it does, sf takes aegis. He didnt blink into aegis, he blinked into roshan. Wasnt fast at all...he was squirming to pick up tat aegis. Bold move, but possible. I wouldnt be doing this with the items sf had, unless I have bkb or lothars.

Well that movement, jumping into roshan is something known: I do agree with nabo. that without bkb or lothars, him jumping is a bit weird, but considering his items/hp (2700hp with skadi, linkens sounds reasonable due to the fact his team was incoming), and yes, he did jump behind rosh which is ok in my opinion (he can see the ward outside but no1 was near the edge of roshan entrance, meaning they had to be inside therefore rosh would be at his initial position so jumping behind it sounds reasonable + timing sounds okay as well).

[KidTwist]

31:36 you say it looks suspicious that i went up hill and that i was trying to go for axe, but if u notice pa and krob both come i basically ran into my own death. If axe was smart he would use hunger on me and i would 100% be dead at that point, if i maphacked i wouldnt go into 3 heroes.

34:50 my intentions were to go for rune because i knew i took the top one

[nabo.]

Denied due to insufficient evidence.