LTD 3.5 BETA - no -hp mode

[Krumme]

Link to map (or load code if it's on the public hosting bot): Legion TD 3.5 Beta
Slot layout if applicable (for example, if some slots need to be closed):
Number of players until autostart: 8
Problems with map (like cheats and such), if any: People choosing -hp mode and then picking prophet/hybrid and not giving us the option to choose a hero which is mostly the point of Legion TD 3.5 Beta
Why the map should be autohosted:
Special notes:

First I would like to point out that I play LTD 3.5 beta for the heroes and there is absolutely nothing more destroying for your mood than some red choosing -hp and hybrid or prophet
That's why I have come to the conclusion that it should be illegal to do so
The only argument that I have found that -hp prophet should be legal is that 3.41 players can play prophet without the mercs but just as heroes is a part of 3.5 mercs is a part of 3.41 and I really do not think you need to lower the quality of 3.5 (no heroes as prophet/hybrid) just because some 3.41 players don't like mercs but just NEED to have prophet/hybrid - play 3.5 and you won't play vs mercs but you really shouldn't have the power to choose that no others wont be able to build hero

So my idea is to make it illegal to do -hp mode in 3.5

Discuss!

[NutzSucksHard]

I will agree with you. -HP PROPHET/HYBRID should be prohibited. Not -hp mode itself.

But, no one will check the rules. Maybe put an in-game message that the bot will Spam? I don't know. Maybe.

[Krumme]

Seems legit - never been fan of the -hp mode "all play the same race" but I see no reason why it should be illegal so I'll agree with you and make it only prophet/hybrid -hp mode

[NutzSucksHard]

The reason is simple. You can always change your race by clicking 'change builder' for 100 wood/200/300 etc. So you should not care if you have a builder you dislike. Handle it for 5-6 round maybe more and CB. I DON'T remember if you have the choice when it is HP mode. Or it autorepick it for you. Long time not played LTD. Still, a way to 'hack'. Is you pick a normal builder. Let say goblin one. You build goblin then hero.

When you got enough Goblin blaster (let say you only mass build this). Click CB, you choose between two and it is paladin for exemple.. You get archer and gryphon. CB : Choose between : Frost or Prophet. You pick prophet. You still have the HERO, you have PROPHET. OP??? Also, the problem I see the most is the next; you RESET the CB to 0 and it no more swap builder, it only change your building option. Still the first one cost nothing, the second one is 50 wood and gold I think etc... So by picking prophet you have the chance of having every units + CB start back to a low cost and the hero is there with his aura. Kinda ownage.

[Drahque]

When you got enough Goblin blaster (let say you only mass build this). Click CB, you choose between two and it is paladin for exemple.. You get archer and gryphon. CB : Choose between : Frost or Prophet. You pick prophet. You still have the HERO, you have PROPHET. OP???

What your explaining here is strictly against the rules, it can be considered bug abuse and glitching, as I've explained Krumme in one of his previous ban request:
[spoiler=The rule about changing builder]

The only rule for Beta 3.5: If you pick a hero you are NOT allowed to change your builder.
- Link to the rules: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4#p20208

- Link to the topic: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=16319&p=76901#p76901[/spoiler]

First I would like to point out that I play LTD 3.5 beta for the heroes and there is absolutely nothing more destroying for your mood than some red choosing -hp and hybrid or prophet

The exact same thing player a Lihl-player or anyone who play 3.41 seriously say; "There is nothing more destroying your mood to be against a mercenary" or "There is nothing worse than when red picks hybrid, stupid luck-mode" etc. So you can't use that as a reason to ban -hp. Since there's been plenty of discussions where people wanted to ban merc, but it's never gone through. Same thing goes for modes.

[NutzSucksHard]

Well, didn't knew that rules. Not much active over here. I just thought you could change builder with that 3.5. Still - for me - it is not abuse of glitch, because all are allowed to use it... Compare to (exemple) XIN glitch LOD... wich is allowed maybe to two or three player in the game (depend on how much got xin in draft). That is unfair. If all can pick the bug. Then it is fair. It doesn't give you an advantage cause all could pick it. You get me?

For me it's just a part of the strategy. Merc is allowed in pub (yes it does) rule is : Do not use Mercenary on HR bot (ENT35). So no merc in HR. Does beta version is considered as a HR league? No. So why you ban that... HR is high level, so I understand the fact of not swapping hero. So what I'm telling : It is not glitch, it is like a MERC. So ban it in your HR mode but let pub stay pub. Ban what is really broken in the game or just don't change it.

Thanks.

As for exemple : Someone -hp mode paladin... I hate paladin. Now I'm forced to play it cause of that dumb rules. GG. Not fun right? That's what I mean there. CB should be allowed. In HR, easy, just put an HCL without CB in it. Like -aphgggmmx3 or something like that. NO CB and NO LI. So there you go. No CB, all allowed to pick whoever they want. Do not force people that play this for fun, to not have fun... That break the meaning of a game. Having fun. When you get into competition/High level. OK the fun is the challenge. So no CB is a challenge and thats fun... But keep that for the high level people hence the reason HR does exist.

[Drahque]

@Nutz, just to get things straight (since you seem to have misunderstood it), then changing builder is NOT ban-able, but making a hero without picking one and THEN changing builder, is in-fact against the rules. The reason is very simple, because the game weren't supposed to allowed it.

Your reasonings to allow it, is that everyone is able to do it. But the problem here, is that everyone doesn't know how to do it, those giving the ones who do, an advantage. Hope you see what I mean. (:

[DreathKnight]

Well this month old suggestion seems to be going no where.