[DOTA] SuperSane @ useast.battle.net MH

[SillyHackers]

In essence, you're afraid you'll get banned - for actually using MH, and so you're trying to make up excuses. My accusation is not bullshit, and you, being an experienced player and a very eloquent writer, clearly know that fog clicks are not necessary for someone to MH. You may MH and NOT fog click, which happens. My accusation is NOT spurious at all, and all of the ENT admins KNOW that I ban request many players on a weekly basis, not just you. I report anyone I think MHs, glitches, game ruins, etc. My accusation against you comes from a very specific instance in game with a very very VERY suspicious gank of yours on Rosh, made even MORE suspicious by how you waited in woods near mid prior to coming to Rosh. Honestly SuperSane, had you just gone directly for Rosh (I'd watch replay) I'd say you got lucky or wanted to Rosh, but given how much time you waited for, I think you MH. Maybe you don't even MH in most of your games, maybe you don't even fog click on players, but the way I see it, that particular instance was not luck, but premeditated ganking, and I sincerely hope the admins agree with me.

[SuperSane]

Recap: Fighting at least three enemies mid. Notice orange is missing (note that orange wasn't missing in recent fight at bot tower where he killed me).

Following mid fight, I went to the trees behind Roshan to see if I could get sight of him, as I remembered the bug.
Note: ranged heroes can stand behind Roshan's area and still attack Roshan.

Unfortunately, the bug doesn't give you sight of Roshan, it only lets you hit him if you alrdy have sight.

Failing to get sight, I went towards Roshan entrance.

Noting that it was around 8:25, I went to see if rune was up.

Then I went straight to check Roshan.


No need of maphack. But i do see the confusion you had, where I stood for a few seconds behind him.

And now you know; I mistakenly thought I could get sight of Roshan by standing behind him. In addition orange's MIA from previous fight and anywhere on map made it likely for him to be at Roshan. However, I am not perfect, so he could have been at fountain and afk, or farming in jungle. If I had known he was there, I would have ran in immediately instead of risking him killing Roshan with some lucky crits or moments. You can see this by the time I waste going for the Rune, which isn't there. But I guess you skipped over that part in your haste to ban. You do make mistakes, after all.

With imbeciles like VirusHunter around (who falsely accuse people of maphacking, and misuse simple programs), everyone who plays ENT regularly should be afraid of a ban, even when they know they have done nothing wrong.



Take this thread as an example. Virushunter recognizes my name, but can't remember why (since virushunter isnt very smart).

Other mods comment based on that misinformation. Someone points out there may be ban dodging.
Someone mentions a recent and "approved" ban request for SuperSane.

Not one person is smart enough to actually check the ban appeals for the same name.

Either the mods aren't very aware or they just dont give a shit. I do not know which.

TLDR: No Evidence of Maphacking.

[SillyHackers]

" You can see this by the time I waste going for the Rune, which isn't there."

Actually I mention that and that is one of the reasons why what you did is so suspicious; and why is my being mia from a fight instantly an indication of my Roshing? Yeah... okay. And the point is you didn't run in immediately, you waited... and waited... and waited... until the perfect moment to go in and check. It seems strange to check rune prior to checking Rosh since you ALREADY thought I was there, no? By the way, you don't go "straight" for the Rosh entrance and hesitate, no, you go for the rune, wait, and then go for Rosh entrance, and given that, then you go inside (still without enough sight.) (Also seems strange that you had your teammate mana you while you were trying to get sight of Rosh, but w/e.)

"Either the mods aren't very aware or they just dont give a shit. I do not know which."
Or you know, maybe they just don't like you. I don't know why though - you're an extremely amicable person. And in any case, a former mistake/ban request thread is not RELEVANT to this new post. What IS relevant is the given instance in play.

[smurf]

This is one funny excuse,
"Following mid fight, I went to the trees behind Roshan to see if I could get sight of him, as I remembered the bug.
Note: ranged heroes can stand behind Roshan's area and still attack Roshan.

Unfortunately, the bug doesn't give you sight of Roshan, it only lets you hit him if you alrdy have sight.

Failing to get sight, I went towards Roshan entrance.

Noting that it was around 8:25, I went to see if rune was up.

Then I went straight to check Roshan."


As much as you been playing supersane. Even noobs knows u dont get sight from there. Stop making dumb excuses. This makes u look even more obvious, you knew they were there.

[SuperSane]

I often take long breaks in between WC3. Moreover, I play with a small group of people and communicate very little outside of that on WC3. Therefore, it would be very very easy for someone like myself to have limited or no knowledge of a glitch in this version of Dota.

Show me my play history and tell me how often I play. Spurious accusations.

Now you are basing your argument on whether or not I knew about a little-known glitch. (Note: over 99% of the games I have played have made no mention and have had no use of that glitch. I learned about it recently and have only seen it used once)


Going for rune before potential enemy in Roshan is smart. Especially if it is DD or Haste for my carry. That dd or that haste could make the difference in a fight, + the least I know is Roshan is up at full health OR ______.

Similarly, before I went to Roshan I knew that I had not seen Orange for a long time, whereas I had seen almost every other member of the team in the recent fight. Not to mention that teal and purple almost seemed to deliberately push mid alone when they were at a strict disadvantage (our team outnumbered them in that fight). I thought teal was healing or jungling (since he was naix) and he had dissapeared at half health or lower. Orange could be anywhere out of sight. We know he didn't push mid. He hadn't shown up on scourge minimap. He could be at fountain, jungling, afk. He could be at roshan. There aren't that many options for a missing carry's location in Dota, especially if he hasn't leveled in the last minute or so at a midrange level. And we had map control for some brief seconds after owning your team in that fight. That gives us an advantage and impetus to check and kill Roshan. I probably could have soloed Roshan at that point, had orange and teal not been there.

I picked Naga specifically to have enough mana to storm bolt more than once. PA would have been better stats for my carry, but lower mana. As per the mid fight and me not going back to fountain, any mana I could have would be beneficial. Ideally, over 300 to stun twice and at least blink twice.

I like how you comment on the 'former' ban request's relevance but failed to aptly and similarly respond to the ban request mention by another person.
This is you: "And in any case, a former mistake/ban request thread is not RELEVANT to this new post."
This is you before that, referring to a former mistake/ban request in this thread: "So you've got admins potentially un-banning maphackers? LOL I should just stop reporting entirely then =D"

Did I misread (it is late), or are you a hypocrite for discussing a ban request in this thread and then saying a few posts later, that that ban request has no relevance in this thread?

Of course, you could have private messaged the admin if you wanted to comment on admins "un-banning maphackers". There was no need to discuss something irrelevant to the thread in this thread. You stink of hypocrisy. But we all make mistakes.

TLDR: No evidence of maphacking. The single suspected incident has been clearly and lucidly explained to be a combination of luck and intuition. Thank you for your vigilance. Don't be overeager like virushunter in his heyday.

[Yondaime]

I will be checking the link I had given earlier, if maphack is found within that game then he will be banned till March 14th of 2014. Which would have been the original date, if no maphack is found that post will be hindered and then I shall look upon this new topic. This will be done soon hopefully by myself or another admin because theoretically I am on a vacation atm where I do not have wifi and instead using my grandparents computer who conviently enough do not play WC3 lol.

[SuperSane]

To Yondaime: learn how to verify Bans.

Hint: Ban Appeal --> Processed Requests --> Search SuperSane

The mods in this thread are depressing.

Yondaime is too lazy to spend more than half a second searching my name on the site. But he is willing to spend nearly half an hour reviewing a ban that has already been successfully appealed (Reason: VirusHunter was stupid and ignorant of fog detector).

And Virushunter is a lazy bastard with a bad memory. His posts in this thread are despicable for their disinformation.

I expect an apology, Virushunter.

Tldr: Yondaime has alzheimers and/or dementia and is clearly losing it.

This thread was cute. I hope somebody learned something about assumptions and misinformation (Virushunter and Yondaime).


With respect to the bullshit accusation of maphacking: I will have at least three character witnesses to attest to my never having maphacked. Each will post in the next few days.

Captain_Duranda, who was in the game, will be the first to attest to my good nature and having never maphacked.

In addition, Captain_Duranda is one of the most skilled players of LOD on WC3. See his ELO and k/d ratio for verification. Moreover, he has played hundreds of games with me, all of them on ENT.

Lastly, as should be obvious by now, I wouldn't put so much effort into a defense if I had maphacked. See the nearly one thousand games I have played on ENT with the username SuperSane?

P.S. find any other game where I have maphacked. I'll wait. There are hundreds too choose from, all on ENT.

[VirusHunter]

yes, i remember that too. that was in my adolescence of learning how to detect MH'ers when i used only fog click detector. you dont need to find a fog click to prove maphacking. there are ways around fogclicks which most MH'ers use now adays anyways. but that being said i havnt watched this game, i just remembered your name and maphack.

[zehk]

Well, I do not see any evidence of maphacking. Btw, I got a question to the author of this request. You call people maphackers in games when you find any suspicious moves and in your ban requests you assume them maphackers and call them that. However, I found out lots of your ban requests were false accusations. When your ban request turns out to be a false accusation, do you make an appology? Or you never do?

There are lots of maphackers on ENT, but at the same time, there are lots of innocent guys who get reported and even banned. Instead of calling someone a maphacker in game(especially when it's said to all) or in your ban request, you could say he could be maphacking or something. There's no reason to be rude when you don't have a hard proof like fog clickings and stuff.

[Medicca]

1. There is no need to flame moderators for doing their job. We make mistakes from time to time. We also VOLUNTEER our time. We're not on here 24/7 to process requests.

2. You should also know that not all maphackers will fog click. Although confirmed fog clicks are indicators of maphacking, the converse is not true; no fogclicks do not mean no maphacking.

3. Getting back on topic, although your play is suspicious, it is understandable. Note that he does go check the rune, briefly revealing the rune spot. All in all, I would !deny this request, but I'll let other moderators give their input.

EDIT:

Lastly, as should be obvious by now, I wouldn't put so much effort into a defense if I had maphacked. See the nearly one thousand games I have played on ENT with the username SuperSane?

lol. You have 294 games on west and 204 games on east. If you did have a thousand games, wouldn't that be more of a reason to be so defensive?

[Yondaime]

We're not on here 24/7 to process requests.

lol I am most of the time jeez gimme some credit here

I shall respect Mediccas decision as well to deny this.

I hope you know that also any players that have seen this will also be watching you much much much more carefully.

Processed.