MAPHACK LTD

[Lundo88]

Hello.

Anyway to investigations for maphack in use?

So many times i guess people use this, because they do ''weird'' sends.

And i wont make Ban request if u guys cant even detect this.


Lundo88

[Dong]

Describe weird sends @Lundo88

[Lundo88]

you want me to describe weird sends.. you dont play legion td often or what ???

You should know, when u can fell people use maphack.

like who send bowmen on lvl 2? and know it will fuck us up

or dont up king when they have wave and they have not seen ''towers''

You know what i mean ? this happen alot

[LTDNorb]

Could you rephrase "Anyway to investigations for maphack in use?" as I cannot figure out what you mean by that.

ENT mods can of course detect if someone is clicking on a unit that the person should not have sight on. You can even check that yourself by downloading a FCD (Fog-Click-Detector) here: http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?title=EntGaming:FCD
But make sure to remove the files from your WC3-folder again, because they can cause critical errors (at least they did for me).

Once you find those what people call 'fog-clicks', you can report them.
If you didn't find any of those clicks, but still are sure that the other person is using it (just being 'sneaky' by not clicking on any of your units), then explain in your report why you think that way. For example describe cases like "He cancelled wisp and built more units when I started to send for lvl X" or so.

If your question was whether ENT has such detecting-tools integrated into their bots, then the answer is no as far as I know. It would also be a bad idea, as the FCD can give false positives if the clicked unit disappears within the next (approximately) 0-2 seconds. To explain that further: You see opponent's king while creeps are attacking it, king kills last creep, you click on king to see upgrades, you lose sight of king within the next second, FCD gives false positives.

[Lundo88]

Ye okey.

So if i feel that someone is use Maphack i should still make a ban request ?

Cause im not going to dl any files to find out

[LTDNorb]

Yeah, just make one in that case. Explain your train of thought of why you think the other person is using maphack and the mods will check.

[Dong]

@Lundo88 i play more than you might think..

1) 2 sends happens in i would say 70% of the games, including bowmen, for DD chance.

2) if you have a holder on your team, especially a cross holder ( not sure if you play ent18 or ent31 ) it is not uncommon to not upgrade king, Even if wave.

What you are describing are normal skilled sends/calls.. Besides, if you know the game well enough, you can tell most of the enemy units by just looking at the kill rate box/splash rate, and the bounty on the leaks etc.. you can even see how much regen your enemy have upgraded on their king, when looking at regen rate.. there are many factors that have a saying.. I know quite a lot of very good players that have also been accused of " MH " because they see and notice things that other players don't even wanna pay attention to.

But feel free to report if you feel like someone is acting suspicious. But do your self and the moderators a favor, and watch the replays before you report

Dong out-

[Akitos]

Could you rephrase "Anyway to investigations for maphack in use?" as I cannot figure out what you mean by that.

ENT mods can of course detect if someone is clicking on a unit that the person should not have sight on. You can even check that yourself by downloading a FCD (Fog-Click-Detector) here: http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?title=EntGaming:FCD
But make sure to remove the files from your WC3-folder again, because they can cause critical errors (at least they did for me).

Once you find those what people call 'fog-clicks', you can report them.
If you didn't find any of those clicks, but still are sure that the other person is using it (just being 'sneaky' by not clicking on any of your units), then explain in your report why you think that way. For example describe cases like "He cancelled wisp and built more units when I started to send for lvl X" or so.

If your question was whether ENT has such detecting-tools integrated into their bots, then the answer is no as far as I know. It would also be a bad idea, as the FCD can give false positives if the clicked unit disappears within the next (approximately) 0-2 seconds. To explain that further: You see opponent's king while creeps are attacking it, king kills last creep, you click on king to see upgrades, you lose sight of king within the next second, FCD gives false positives.

Actually there is no way to detect MH ever since the last WC3 patch, due to DRM not working anymore. FCD was never used to proof MH, it only provides clues, but not evidence. Right now the only way to get caught for maphacking is if you're stupid. If you use it smart there is no way mods could tell sadly... And that won't change until we get a DRM update.

[Stiff_Maistar]

The only way to be caught for maphacking in LTD has always been if the player is stupid. Even before the patch people could maphack as long as they didnt fog click. The DRM still works after the patch, same with the DRMF and thats the only two things you need to catch them. The only thing that doesnt work after the patch is FCD, which made it alot easier to see if anyone was fog clicking.

[Hatedmaru]

Could you rephrase "Anyway to investigations for maphack in use?" as I cannot figure out what you mean by that.

ENT mods can of course detect if someone is clicking on a unit that the person should not have sight on. You can even check that yourself by downloading a FCD (Fog-Click-Detector) here: http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?title=EntGaming:FCD
But make sure to remove the files from your WC3-folder again, because they can cause critical errors (at least they did for me).

Once you find those what people call 'fog-clicks', you can report them.
If you didn't find any of those clicks, but still are sure that the other person is using it (just being 'sneaky' by not clicking on any of your units), then explain in your report why you think that way. For example describe cases like "He cancelled wisp and built more units when I started to send for lvl X" or so.

If your question was whether ENT has such detecting-tools integrated into their bots, then the answer is no as far as I know. It would also be a bad idea, as the FCD can give false positives if the clicked unit disappears within the next (approximately) 0-2 seconds. To explain that further: You see opponent's king while creeps are attacking it, king kills last creep, you click on king to see upgrades, you lose sight of king within the next second, FCD gives false positives.

Actually there is no way to detect MH ever since the last WC3 patch, due to DRM not working anymore. FCD was never used to proof MH, it only provides clues, but not evidence. Right now the only way to get caught for maphacking is if you're stupid. If you use it smart there is no way mods could tell sadly... And that won't change until we get a DRM update.

DRM/DRMF works as it always did? The one not working is FCD, however if you're smart enough and take some time, you can find the clicks just as easy as you previously did, when FCD worked.

And im sure your next comment will be "But there's those who don't click, and that way u cant catch them" -> Wrong: Sure its easier when people fogclick, but sooner or later, you're caught (via fogclicks or suspicious evidence, or both, since some hackers are just awesome at it).

tl;dr - You can still track maphackers, even without fcd working (just take a look at the recent brqs and ull notice most of them are being caught, due to moderators taking time re-checking replays for suspicious evidence), you simply need to be patient, and take some time until you got enough evidence for it.

[Akitos]

Huh, I could swear I've been told different, guess my informations were wrong then. Nvm.

[lowesteloever]

Actually most MH users have it set up so that it's impossible to fog click units (fogged units are unklickable).

[Akitos]

Actually most MH users have it set up so that it's impossible to fog click units (fogged units are unklickable).

Maphacker confirmed, ban him.