taywon2 wrote:The game was completely carried by ES(me) and medusa.
No it wasn't, you were practically useless until you got the blink, which is not your fault persay, most ES are that way without that core item. But this isn't a post about comparing dick sizes. Nobody specifically carried this game, and I did credit you and dusa in the posts above for your contributions. However, if I did not contribute earlier, instead wait 40 mins to get strong, game would've been finished at the 26-30 min mark. Being a veteran player, I'm sure you know the fact that team KDR do affect leveling, gold/items, etc... I did my job, kept them down, prolonged the game.
Let's be realistic. Say radiance, 3800+1350, a good early farm I could get that 12-15 mins, maybe a little faster since we had 4 heroes. But 2 problems. 1) we were ganked hard and turtled for 30 mins, wasn't gonna get that radiance fast. 2) Even if I had a radiance, would've done very little walking around with a radiance and boots. Radiance requires other items to be effective. So we're looking again at a 30-40 min spec. Let's not overlook, I got that dagon roughly around 7-8 min mark, as I do most game, latest in 10 mins. I can start killing enemies.
So, going radiance (or reaver for a heart or satanic) is a good 20 mins where I can't contribute, not to mention can't kill enemies, so they continue to level and farm. Compare that to a dagon at 8 mins, where I can contribute, save teammates, kill enemies, deny them gold and level.
And to call it "dagon spec" itself is inaccurate. I got a dagon yes, but I still get items spec needs, depending on game. This game, I went book. Not every game, other games I'd go mjollnir first or straight to skadi and basher. If necessarily, a diffusal.
Books? Well, yeah, 3 of them were invisible so we needed to have dust or sentry/gems. But that doesn't mean that spec needs to spent 5350 gold to get the level 3 book. I was carrying sentries/dust every single moment throughout the game.
I would have to continuously buy dust to keep killing, which waste 180 gold each time. But it isn't purely just about vision, but necros are actually really strong offensively. I always get skadi with Spec anyways, slow and attack with necro can decimate enemies fast, as demonstrated in that game. I had a focus, take out snipe or voker, leave their melee supportless. That was the aim. Had I been dying a lot, I'd probably get skadi first. However, this was an ez game, I went 7-0 before dying at 8-1, so I decided book was acceptable.
Most importantly, do you even know why we blamed to you? it's because of your attitude.
Even from the beginning, we all asked you to get hp items since they have lc, bara and sniper. Yet you were saying "nah I build spec for assassinate building, I dont go normal builds". Yes, you made this comment even before silencer dropped from the game. Overall, throughout the game, we all asked you to get a real item for spec but you refused but getting dagon and necro books. The game would be so much easier if you got normal spec items.
See, you still haven't learned. First of all, why should I listen to you? Did you play better than me in this game? Nope. Was my build making me feed? Or not contributing, nope. The fact you admitted right from the start you are so arrogant to think everyone should listen to you, you are the only one who knows how to play? I mean, you know a cliche heart + radiance spectre? Who doesn't know that one?
I've been playing DOTA since you were probably still in diapers. I may not be as fast as I use to in my old age, but I do know a thing or two about the fundamentals. There is no such thing as "normal" build for any hero. You can say certain items are "core" items, but every game is different and a veteran player knows to respond to their opponent. Also, just because "everyone" builds a hero in a certain way, it doesn't make it the "normal" way.
As explained, any other more "typical" build for this game would've ended the game at the 30 min mark, I guarantee it. The enemy, in the chat if you read it, knew and were planning to finish at 30 mins. They almost succeeded. A BM + heart at 30 mins? When we're all turtling? Not likely. Even if I had it, it would've done nothing. They'll run pass me and kill you and VS. We didn't need a tank. We need someone that can "balance" the odds against us by eliminating key support heroes in team fights.
You were spec and they have sniper. One of the things we all expected from you was to get closer to sniper and kill him asap since sniper brings most of the dmg. I even asked you to do that. Well, you refused.
this proves you didn't watch the replay. I did this ALL game. I noticed that the sniper's scattershots were preventing your blink, so I had to initiate, which I did.
Let's be a little more positive. I really do like your Eul ES. It was the first time I've seen it, at least to my memory. I like it so much, I adapted it to my game today playing Zeus. Actually I haven't played Zeus in... 2-3 years, but I know what people want: get scepter and refresher. Correct? Instead I adapted my game to the need of the team, I went blink and then euls. I used the euls when their void ults to save my teammates and I use the euls on myself after I blink in and cast all my spells, so the CD refreshes and I lay down a few more spells, maximizing my passive. I did ok 14-7-23.
But you know Eul ES is not "normal," right? How would you feel the moment you went Euls with ES, your teammates start trash talking you? Telling you to get normal items like rush a scepter, refresher, shiva? See, you played ES very creatively, I expected someone like you to show the same courtesy to another player.
Tell me though, what would you have done in this game if they decided to go pipe or BKB? You would've been useless lategame. I've played DOTA for a very long time and heroes that got my attention, where I play a lot of it, I always try to figure out ways to make the hero both physical and magical, so it is harder to counter. I always go battle ES these days b/c he already has tons of magical. I expect my opponents to counter me with bkb or pipe, but then find out it is useless when I'm doing 2700 crit and hung like tank.
Isn't this what DOTA is all about?