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What I am currently experiencing when there are moderators in the game is that they do have the power to ruin a game, but not to be fair to players.

For example: Yesterday I played a game of LTD and I had a maphacker in my team. The moderator kicked the maphacker, leaving us to play with one player less, and the game was not drawn. The effect of this was that the moderator ruined the particular game far more than the maphacker.

This is why I suggest: if you give moderators the power to manually kick players, you should also give them the power to manually draw a game. In this way moderators will keep the opportunity to be fair to all, instead of just having the power to ruin games and then watch helplessly how they cannot be fair to all (if some players do not want to draw even if they should).

Also: encourage moderators to take the high road. As a moderator you have a duty beyond gaining as much ELO as possible, ESPECIALLY if you're actually using your moderator powers.

Agreements wrote:That would be abused, so no.

I hope you trust your own moderators enough to not abuse? And otherwise you can take your measures on them? And anyway, I can't see how it can be more abused than !kick.

Anyway, kicking can ruin games as everyone understands, so if a moderator feels like he has to use !kick, he should also be able to !draw the game (without a vote like the kick) so that in certain cases he does not force a team to lose/play with a huge disadvantage because of the moderator's privileges which only go 1 way (to kick, but not to draw). This, of course, at the moderator's own discretion.

[spoiler=]Or he could ask the enemy/own team: is it okay to kick and play on? Or kick and draw? Talking with the players to determine what to do is not a bad option. In this way players will not be forced by a moderator to play 3v4 (or whatever numbers in different games) and get their game ruined by a moderator's decision to kick.[/spoiler]

Agreements wrote:That would be abused, so no.

Mickey has a good point. If you trust us with the power of kicking a player and affecting gameplay but not draw a game, why do you think it would be abused? Maybe the command can only be executed when the bot notices a change in # of players, or an imbalance in the game.

What I'm asking myself is if mods should even (be allowed to) kick maphackers. Of course kicking obvious game ruiners is fairer than keeping them in the game, but imo kicking a maphacker makes the game unfairer than keeping him in the game.
I think mods should only kick someone if it is fairer for the overall game balance, which means only blatant game ruiners/massive bug abusers and such.

Moderators can already end games at their discretion by kicking everyone. or kicking everyone then drawing.

I can't really see any benefits to having this command. Drawing is completely optional and it should be kept that way. I can agree with you that kicking maphackers can ruin a game more than maphackers themselves.

@MickeyTheMousie

Provide us the link to the game plz.

Mher should be banned after the game once mod reviews replay and cross matches fcd and drm.

nabo. wrote:Provide us the link to the game plz.

That's not needed in this particular case. Described action is ok for LTD games. Whether he should have made use of the kick or not is the only reason why OP posted the thread.

Thanks for your responses. My suggestion was IF you allow kick THEN also allow draw, but I guess removing the premise is a good way of dealing with the issue.

Mher should be banned after the game once mod reviews replay and cross matches fcd and drm.

I can agree with you that kicking maphackers can ruin a game more than maphackers themselves.

I think mods should only kick someone if it is fairer for the overall game balance, which means only blatant game ruiners/massive bug abusers and such.

Maybe we can conclude something in line with those comments?

Does not seem like admins feel the need for !draw command to be available for mods and there seems rather low number of cases similar to the game/situation in question. I can also imagine people complaining because a game was drawn. Game ruiners are named as such because a game gets ruined. But, it is probably better not to kick a maphacker during a game since we do not treat fcd as a definite proof of mh.

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