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Game Rules - Dota - Unsharing courier

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:10 pm
by aqf
Based on this ban request denial: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=21111&start=10

I am assuming if someone purchases a replacement courier it's acceptable to unshare? I am still unsure about this fact.

If this is the case, the rules should be written:
The following are prohibited
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Unsharing: of a courier that has been crowed by another player (unless control was abused or you purchase a replacement courier)


I put the changes in bold.

Re: Game Rules - Dota - Unsharing courier

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:13 pm
by nabo.
You seem to be complaining about a mod's decision.

Unsharing courier when someone upgraded for you, is a rule breaker. Unless you abused the bird somehow.

Unsharing when you bought and upgraded yourself...is fine.

If the person who unshared bought a recipe for unsharing to the other person...it looks like a fair trade, so I do not see the problem here.

Many people think rules have to be so specific...this is not civilization laws irl...its a dam game. Rules at ENT r simply guidelines for users and basis followed through by mods' judgement when making decisions for ban request/appeals.

Rules r usually designed due to unfairness and abuse of certain language/gameplay/mechanics/glitches.
If you can explain why unsharing + buying the other person crow recipe which is a transferable item for unsharing is under one of these categories i mentioned, fire away.

Re: Game Rules - Dota - Unsharing courier

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:26 pm
by aqf
That may be how it appears, but really what I am doing is suggesting a rule be more specific. I am simply requesting the rules be updated to include the results of the BRQ mentioned.

Maybe summarizing that BRQ might help to illustrate a case where the rule update may help:

In that game, I ignored the sharing party because they were starting to flame and then they unshared when they realized it. So although a recipe was bought, I never knew any concession was made. However, it seems that regardless of if it is communicated, just purchasing a courier is sufficient to unshare. If I knew that was a rule, I may have actively searched for a replacement courier, instead of focusing on the game. Although, normally I try to discuss the unshare with the offending party, I did make an error by typing !ignore twice instead of !unignore to talk to the party. Purchase of the replacement courier was also never communicated in the chat log. Still, I feel he didn't need to unshare because I didn't violate any shared control, which explicitly is what the rule currently states.

I just think it would make sense to update the rule so there is no confusion about the unshare rules to others. Thanks for your reply.

Re: Game Rules - Dota - Unsharing courier

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:30 pm
by nabo.
I see. But, regardless how things went...unsharing would only result few hrs ban I believe.
You guys won the game. The accused violator didnt play tat bad nor fed, so save your breath.

For the specifics u want to be noted for the rule...ppl's actions vary case by case, and mods will judge accordingly.

Cheers

Re: Game Rules - Dota - Unsharing courier

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:41 pm
by aqf
It doesn't matter if we win or lose, I've reported allies who maphack/excessive flame/vk abuse, so what's the difference? After a quick search I find 1 - 5 days for unsharing.

The "specifics" I am requesting are an exception to the rule and it would be helpful for that to be explicitly written.

Cherio :)

Re: Game Rules - Dota - Unsharing courier

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:44 pm
by nabo.
okok, I dont see big problem adding the "unless purchased replacement"

Re: Game Rules - Dota - Unsharing courier

Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:44 am
by aqf
@aRt)Y Who would be able to update rules? Is this suggestion reasonable?

Re: Game Rules - Dota - Unsharing courier

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:33 am
by aRt)Y
@aqf PM me again if I haven't changed them till tomorrow.

Re: Game Rules - Dota - Unsharing courier

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:35 am
by aqf
Great, thanks.

Re: Game Rules - Dota - Unsharing courier

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:59 pm
by aqf
@aRt)Y bump

Re: Game Rules - Dota - Unsharing courier

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:17 pm
by aRt)Y
@aqf I edited the part you mentioned here.