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Using the most recent implementation of autodraw here: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=18251&p=85100&hilit=dota+autodraw#p85100

"For DotA, autodraw if two players leave before 2:00 real time (0:00 dota time)
(optional, if possible) disable autodraw is First Blood is taken before 0:00 (it's possible but rare)"

Suggestion: The time limit for autodraw be extended to 3:00 minutes. Disable autodraw if First Blood is taken or if Rosh has been slain. I am not sure if you can check whether rosh has been slain.

Reasoning: I have played several games where 2 players on my team leave before 3 minutes and the other team is unwilling to draw in order to gain elo. Most players are not invested in the game before 3 minutes since only a few creep waves have spawned and the players are just laning. If FB is taken or rosh is killed, this indicates players are invested in the game with a specific strategy and its possible the opposing team is just trying to dodge losing to an early game strategy. Without any investment in the game or early strategy, players have not done anything significant in the game and are probably just all laning. They could easily play a new fair game without any consequence.

@uakf.b is this possible?

No, it obviously needs more discussion..

Well then I guess we should make a poll on when to autodraw.

I mean we've changed it like three times already.

uakf.b wrote:No, it obviously needs more discussion..

I know it needs more discussion, I'm not saying it should be done instantly, I'm just asking if it's possible to check if FB has been taken and if rosh has been killed with the bot.

Im very much for the idea of FB / rosh triggers if it is possible. I can not really see any negatives or sources of possible abuse related to the issue. I would suggest 3 mins auto trigger for EM, but I think four (2 mins game time) would be more suitable for normal mode.

EdgeOfChaos wrote:I know it needs more discussion, I'm not saying it should be done instantly, I'm just asking if it's possible to check if FB has been taken and if rosh has been killed with the bot.

Oh, I see, sorry. FB is possible, rosh is not.

@uafk.b and everyone else edit: and I suggest this be changed Asap as I just realized it is highly problematic.

If you do make this change to add first blood trigger and extend the autodraw time, I HIGHLY recommend that the autodraw period go until at least 3:30 of game time or 5:30 since the game started. Why? Because theoretically a person who joins a game and just afk's will not be able to be kicked until 5 minutes after the game has loaded. If you have multiple people who do this, like two or three, then the game is simply ruined and out of your control and no one can be banned on the other team for refusing to draw. Seems unjust.

Take this game for example viewtopic.php?f=24&t=19523 where Fangorn had two people who were afk before the entire time since the lobby, yet were only able to be auto kicked at 3:00 not giving him any time to kick both and cause the game to autodraw. I find this very unfair and having such a situation with 2 afkers really ruins the game for 3 people.

I don't think this is happening. The autodraw is just there for special cases, like when there are several leavers before anything happens in the game.