Revert Island Defense to 4.0.0.0103e

[Merex]

It was open for 10 days, was it not? If people wanted their chance, they sure had it.

100+ games a day consisting of mostly regulars and you're still trying to extend this out? You're genuinely hilarious LOL.

[ShadowZz]

When you post a poll of this nature it is pretty obvious that basically everyone who agrees with it always votes but the majority of people who don't simply either don't care enough to vote or don't even realize its happening.

[Sethy]

When you post a poll of this nature it is pretty obvious that basically everyone who agrees with it always votes but the majority of people who don't simply either don't care enough to vote or don't even realize its happening.

Pretty much this. There's major bias in this poll, and the population of people who voted is abysmal compared to the # of unique people who even play the game. People disappointed with the new version are going to express their unhappy opinion and actually vote. Reiterating what you said, everyone satisfied with the current version isn't going to actively look to participate in a poll to keep the current version, obvious case of sampling bias. Can't believe people think a vote disparity of 5 is enough to make a decision.

[Stealer]

Pretty much this. There's major bias in this poll, and the population of people who voted is abysmal compared to the # of unique people who even play the game.

This is basically true for every ent poll. Not everybody uses forums and many of those that do don't vote anyways (I didn't vote).

People disappointed with the new version are going to express their unhappy opinion and actually vote.

Plenty of people have disappointed opinions with every version. The vast majority of them don't express their opinions on the forum. Have you seen my thread about buffing titan? MastaShake has had a very strong feeling about how neco has been modifying the game and yet has made 0 posts about it.
Take the Euros as another example, there were more euros than just lynx- and they've only made a handful of posts complaining but they all stopped playing so they obviously cared greatly about the changes.
Just because somebody has an unhappy opinion does not mean they are going to vote and I don't think it even makes them more likely to look for a topic to vote on either.


The people who voted are the people who were going to vote anyways.

[Sethy]

Pretty much this. There's major bias in this poll, and the population of people who voted is abysmal compared to the # of unique people who even play the game.

This is basically true for every ent poll. Not everybody uses forums and many of those that do don't vote anyways (I didn't vote).

People disappointed with the new version are going to express their unhappy opinion and actually vote.

Plenty of people have disappointed opinions with every version. The vast majority of them don't express their opinions on the forum. Have you seen my thread about buffing titan? MastaShake has had a very strong feeling about how neco has been modifying the game and yet has made 0 posts about it.
Take the Euros as another example, there were more euros than just lynx- and they've only made a handful of posts complaining but they all stopped playing so they obviously cared greatly about the changes.
Just because somebody has an unhappy opinion does not mean they are going to vote and I don't think it even makes them more likely to look for a topic to vote on either.


The people who voted are the people who were going to vote anyways.

yo....
you're trolling....
right?

pretty much proved my point that polls are meaningless on these forums and should mean nothing to the direction of the game, and im not even gonna address mastashake's comments

if you're just joking - good kek

The people who voted are the people who were going to vote anyways.

NO SHIT LMFAO

[Merex]

Anyways. QQ all you want^ but when it comes down to it, I wanted the version changed just like a good sum of others so naturally I came into the suggestions, made a poll for the public to vote and give their opinions and it happened.

What else did you want me to do? Post in ID section? Lol. Nothing will happen. PM an admin? They'll just tell me to get public input. Make another poll? What's gonna be different from the current? Absolutely nothing, and the qq will just continue.

@aRt)Y @Hyo @Haunt I'd like for this to be locked now until a decision (which I hope is soon) is to come. Nothing more then back and forth arguing as of this point. The poll is already closed with the final vote in plain sight, nothing more to discuss on the matter.

[lordmillt]

@av1on why didnt u fucking tag me u pleb.
i wont be voting because i havent rly played either of them that much so i cant disagree or agree on any topics but less flamerino plebrino

[aRt)Y]

We provide the forum as a way to communicate with the administration. If they dont post/vote, then it can't be helped and I really dont care. If people dont communicate/open their mouth, no one will know what bothers them.

However, big changes usually need a 2/3 majority, at least that's how we handle polls. Seeing only four votes difference is not really convincing.

[Merex]

@aRt)Y Majority has been yes for over a week now. No has not been a majority or even tied with yes throughout all of this poll. That should be convincing enough itself of something.

I've had more than enough arguments on this thread regarding it's population, the difference and everything and still after all of it, the public still prefers to revert to 103e. That alone should be convincing.

I don't see how re-opening this for discussion again is gonna prove anything. People had 10 full days, plenty of people tagged and even public ID members whom I didn't come forward. Can this finally be decided please? It was delayed for 5-6 days already and now it's gonna be delayed again because of one version change?

I get why you feel the need to open this, since this topic gained some dust over it's duration but plenty of people have given me their own insight and there's even a topic in the ID forum called ''please remove 104 from the autohost'' and that also should be convincing.

[aRt)Y]

Well, granted. However, uak will have to do it and that will take time. Perhaps enough time for @neco to change the things the way it might suit all.

Please dont forget what I said on the complaint, avion.

[ShadowZz]

Neco already changed those things as per people's requests and a lot of people who were against it seemed to have got used to it. Except Av1on.

People seem to ignore the fact that this poll happened during another version and there's no choice for people to change their vote.

[Stealer]

Neco already changed those things as per people's requests

Top mid is still a puddle tbh. More obviously why a puddle at least.

People seem to ignore the fact that this poll happened during another version and there's no choice for people to change their vote.

I'm not too sure anybody has said they wished they could change their vote.


@av1on I think it's still unclear as to the process to move from 103e. Is every version neco posts going to be voted on until one passes?

[Merex]

@ShadowZZ It's a closed discussion. People have expressed their opinions on 2 topics already and if they wanted to speak up, they had their chance to.

@Stealer The public will decide together when a new version is worth putting up which brings me to..

@uakf.b I'd like to request that after you're able to change the version to %103e, that Neco be denied any further requests for changing the version on ENT60 (ENTID) and instead be required to make a topic via 4.0.0 development subforum with a poll attaching the new version so the public can decide if it's suited for changing. Of course, if the vote is in majority to yes, it will be granted.

I will re-attach the map in-case needed. Again, the public has decided that we're comfortable with this one.

[Neco]

Except this entire process you just described was not what the voters of this poll was voting for.

Again you're trying to use irrelevant data to back up your personal claims...

Make a new poll clearly stating what people are voting for and we can see the result of that. If people are as passionate about it as you then there should be no problem.

[Merex]

I'm sorry Neco but there's no need. I put this up for 10 days and everyone had their fair chance. The suggestion has already been granted, now we'll await the actual revert.

For the record, there was nothing personal about it. I'm not going to go through another 10 days + another like 15 just for it to be a delayed decision/process. No. The data, the revert and everything attached is relevant and will be proceeded.