no cross ltd bot

[JunZzi]

@iightfyre

Agree with iight, Very good idea.

@supersexyy
@beepboopbeep



@uakf.b
can we push this forward?

With these Rules:
1. NO CROSS BUILDING. NO BUILDING IN MIDDLE DARK GREEN AREA. (Most important RULE)
2. MERCENARY
Under no circumstances is any player permitted to switch to the mercenary builder.
3. GAME MODES
Default game mode shall be selected as -hpgmcb with builder as prophet.
Alternate game modes can be chosen only if 100% of the players in the game agree to it prior to the game starting.
If red player fails to pick a mode (where the default mode is -ap) then players must all chose prophet builder or !draw the game.
4. ANTI-STUCK USE
Anti-stuck rules are:
a) Cannot use on your enemies in any shape, way or form
b) Cannot use on your teammates units to bring them back to middle so you can catch leaks
c) Cannot use on your teammates wisps, (causing them to go nuts.)
d) I think we should allow Anti-stuck use on your own lane, and in middle, Because this is still a pub bot, If we dont allow this, it will be hard to enforce, and everygame will have a player Reported.
5. JUGGLING THE KING
It is not permissible to change the kings target repetitively with the purpose of gaining more gold or time.
6. BUGS AND GLITCHES
Any use of game mechanics which results in a glitch or bug is forbidden.


We should also have a new ELO Chart for this bot.
As well no Requirement to join the bot, Anybody should be able to join.


And This:

What about this:

1. Have the administrators drop the HR bot's ELO requirement and make it only have a games played requirement (The HR bot currently is dead, so I don't think this would be a problem).
2. Leave it up to players in the community to start the word that the HR bot is played with no cross building.
3. Let the players who are interested in playing with no cross building fill the HR bot and fish for players.
4. Let the players involved enforce the rule of no cross building.
5. Enjoy playing LTD with no cross-building.

This is 100% entirely possible. We actually used this very same method to start playing games with no mercenary. It worked, it was a lot of fun and we had a lot of active players. It eventually led to the creation of the LIHL.

Bottom line: Leave it up to the players to create the atmosphere that they want and if there is enough demand it will happen.

The only thing that would be needed from ENT is to remove the HR bot's ELO requirements. Very easy on administration and mods, no invites, no clans, no signing up, no changes to lihl, no changes to the current public bots, etc. Easy.

PS - You can also rename the games it hosts to "[ENT] Legion TD Mega No Cross #1"

I suggest this because the HR is dead as far as I can tell so we already have a bot that is hosting LTD games that isn't being used.

[BeepBoopBeep]

@uakf.b

[iightfyre]

My hesitation is that if we make a list of rules for the "HR" bot then we assume responsibility to enforce these rules. This means more ban requests to flood ent's forums. I do not want ENT mods to be responsible for enforcing a list of rules for the "new HR" bot. I believe that we should let the players create their own "rules" and enforce them just like we did back in the day when we made the HR bot into a "no merc" bot. We didn't involve ENT's staff at all. We managed it all internally and it worked out just fine. I still believe that this is the best way to go about it. If the players want a place where they can play without fear of merc or crossers, let them create that atmosphere for themselves

Edit: I also believe that there should be a "games played" requirement but no ELO requirement.

[JunZzi]

@iightfyre

The rules I have posted ( thanks to Diablo_) Are the normal Pub Rules, except the rule of no Crossing and Prophet / No Merc.

We cant say "no rules" because that's a recipe for disaster, I think the rules that I have posted are fair, They arent harsh, and its nothing that the ENT Staff are not use to.
Creating 2 extra rules (No Cross and Only Prophet) wont cause much or if any change of the amount of Requests we get. (No Merc is already a Ban request we Get. 1v1)


Edit: I dont see much if any reason to have a requirement of games played honestly, I understand the idea of the requirement, Playing with people who have experience with Legion, But then we are taking the no cross experience away from newer people, people who reset there stats, and people who play on alts. This isent a HR Bot, this should be open to the general public, Just my Opinion.

[iightfyre]

Current Rules Page for LTD: (https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4#p20208)

@junzzi Then shouldn't the new rules for LTD look like this?

General:

• Pause and unpause repeatedly in an attempt to kill the king
• Selling towers in an attempt to lose the game
• Intentionally preventing king from attacking (king juggling)
• Leaking a wave then leaving without using heal that may or may not save the king
• Building close to your teammate without consent to steal kills.

Antistuck

• Can only be used on your side of the map only.
• Cannot be used to kill steal leaks from your teammate (you can use it if your teammate is dead)
• Cannot be used to delay units from returning to the king.

Legion TD 1v1

• Do not use Mercenary on 1vs1 bot (ENT35)

Legion TD Beta

• If you pick a hero you are not allowed to change your builder.

Legion TD No Cross

• Players cannot switch to the Mercenary race under any circumstances
• Default mode must be set as -hpgmcb with builder prophet (Unless 100% of players agree to an alternate game mode before the game starts)
• Players may not build any towers on their teammates lane. This includes double-building, cross-building and aura swapping

[JunZzi]

Thats what I think would be best. But im just one person, We need a majority agreement on if these rules will be the best for the new no-cross bot.

@Beepboopbeep
@Supersexyy
@Eldryan
@iightfyre
@matdas
@diablo_
@archol


(I Know diablo and archol arent mods, but they are heavly interested in the subject, and i feel there opinion will matter a lot.)

EDITS: Mentioning people, fixing my spelling and grammar mistakes..

[iightfyre]

!support

[Diablo_]

!support

Tho I still think the mode rule (-hpgmcb proph) isn't needed, but it doesn't really matter anyway.

[BeepBoopBeep]

Auto Balance? New elo chart?

[iightfyre]

^ good questions from beep.

My opinion

1. Auto Balance - no
2. New elo chart - no

Just my opinion.

[JunZzi]

New elo chart would be interesting, but is not a necessity

[uakf.b]

So like.. what?

[JunZzi]

@uakf.b

Can we take the LTD HR Bot, and Make it into a No Cross Bot.
We can Rename the games into "Legion TD Mega No Cross #1"

Drop any requirements, Anyone can join.
There should be a message in the lobby that the bot will say every so often, to ensure the rules are well known.
Something like this "This Game has certain Rules, People who break these rules will be banned. They are " No Crossing, No Swapping Auras, No Mercenary" "Mode will be -hpgmcb unless 100% of players agree otherwise"

And, every game can have an advertisement, This is the current advertisement: **NEW: Join high-ranked DotA games (1150+ ELO, 20+ wins): /w Clan.Enterprise !g HR

We could make it NEW: Join the new No-Cross LTD Games: /w Clan.Enterpise !g Cross

And since HR Has its own ELO Bracket, Im assuming it would be easy just to wipe the current HR Stats, and Rename them No Cross Stats.

With these Rules:
1. NO CROSS BUILDING. NO BUILDING IN MIDDLE DARK GREEN AREA. (Most important RULE)
2. MERCENARY
Under no circumstances is any player permitted to switch to the mercenary builder.
3. GAME MODES
Default game mode shall be selected as -hpgmcb with builder as prophet.
Alternate game modes can be chosen only if 100% of the players in the game agree to it prior to the game starting.
If red player fails to pick a mode (where the default mode is -ap) then players must all chose prophet builder or !draw the game.
4. ANTI-STUCK USE
Anti-stuck rules are:
a) Cannot use on your enemies in any shape, way or form
b) Cannot use on your teammates units to bring them back to middle so you can catch leaks
c) Cannot use on your teammates wisps, (causing them to go nuts.)
d) I think we should allow Anti-stuck use on your own lane, and in middle, Because this is still a pub bot, If we dont allow this, it will be hard to enforce, and everygame will have a player Reported.
5. JUGGLING THE KING
It is not permissible to change the kings target repetitively with the purpose of gaining more gold or time.
6. BUGS AND GLITCHES
Any use of game mechanics which results in a glitch or bug is forbidden.

[iightfyre]

@junzzi this topic is still under debate, I think that we are jumping the gun asking uakf.b to make changes today.

1. We are thinking about the ELO being a different bracket or not. I strongly think that the ELO should be shared with the pub LTD bot, Euro LTD bot and AB LTD bot. This makes the most sense to me.

2. We are debating whether or not there should be an auto balance feature. I believe that their shouldn't be.

So far I am the only one who has made comments on these two issues.

Also, I suggested a rules list that would be easy to copy and paste into the LTD rules section. Do you think that these are inaccurate or need revising? I ask because you have posted a different rules list. (just another debate issue that we haven't sorted out before getting uakf.b involved)

General:

• Pause and unpause repeatedly in an attempt to kill the king
• Selling towers in an attempt to lose the game
• Intentionally preventing king from attacking (king juggling)
• Leaking a wave then leaving without using heal that may or may not save the king
• Building close to your teammate without consent to steal kills.

Antistuck

• Can only be used on your side of the map only.
• Cannot be used to kill steal leaks from your teammate (you can use it if your teammate is dead)
• Cannot be used to delay units from returning to the king.

Legion TD 1v1

• Do not use Mercenary on 1vs1 bot (ENT35)

Legion TD Beta

• If you pick a hero you are not allowed to change your builder.

Legion TD No Cross

• Players cannot switch to the Mercenary race under any circumstances
• Default mode must be set as -hpgmcb with builder prophet (Unless 100% of players agree to an alternate game mode before the game starts)
• Players may not build any towers on their teammates lane. This includes double-building, cross-building and aura swapping

[JunZzi]

@iightfyre please point out the rule differences? I dont see any.
We have the exact same rules, your just is a edited version of the current rules, I'm just saying what the rules are for this bot, But they will be shown to the public in your format.


My only problem with transfering all the current stats, would mean that all the high elo players, who usually only cross, are going to have a hard time getting use to the solo, and there elo will drop quickly if they are against people who do know how to solo, yet eliminating some people from playing on the bot.

I cant see any downsides of starting fresh.

I dont think there should be a auto balance either.
Also, It would be easier to switch the HR Bot stats into no Cross stats.