Ban Antistuck.

[BeepBoopBeep]

What? I read this correct? you want to ban the use of antistuck globally on each LTD bot?

[MichaelSong]

Personally I don't care about using antistuck at 1100+ or Mega although I'm not using it.
However, if you see in long run, I do agree that this should be banned since massing AS sometimes surely change the outcome of the game.
It should be fair if it's all banned.
It shouldn't be fair if it is not against rule, so someone abuse it and someone don't

[nabo.]

Poll will end March. 15.

If there is little difference between votes for no AS, we will stay with how it is now.

[BeepBoopBeep]

Remember to vote No guys! ^_^

[pewpew lasergun]

ent31 should have lihl rules since its solo
ent18 keep AS

you gona make beep one sad panda :/

[I_kill_satan]

Well as a topic starter, I actually suggested to ban it on 1100+ bot but not for all pub. Should be another suggestion cuz poll not fully related to original topic

[Diablo_]

Ban for all bots: no
Ban on 1100: yes

[SLSGuennter]

@i_kill_satan @diablo_
nabo. and i talked about this. problem is, if it is getting banned, then the reason will be: it is glitch-abuse.
so if its classified as glitch-abuse, it MUST be banned on all bots.

[Hutzu]

Sounds good to me. It is banned on 1vs1 bot already anyway.

[I_kill_satan]

@i_kill_satan @diablo_
nabo. and i talked about this. problem is, if it is getting banned, then the reason will be: it is glitch-abuse.
so if its classified as glitch-abuse, it MUST be banned on all bots.

If it getting banned, reason will be: break rule of 1100 bot "do not use antistuck..." or watever

It is not a problem on pub Mega bot, because this could give compensation for solo build vs combined build team (wat is also could be considered as glitch). If u build cross u dont need to AS, ur units back to own side themselves.

It is a problem on 1100 bot because getting unfair advantage to AS-abuser.
It is a problem on 1v1 bot because of changing creeps movement.

So this should be two different polls - AS ban on all bots and on 1100 bot.

[supersexyy]

Agree with Satan

[Mercy]

I think it should only be banned on 1100+..

[nabo.]

It is not a problem on pub Mega bot, because this could give compensation for solo build vs combined build team (wat is also could be considered as glitch). If u build cross u dont need to AS, ur units back to own side themselves.

It is a problem on 1100 bot because getting unfair advantage to AS-abuser.
It is a problem on 1v1 bot because of changing creeps movement.

So this should be two different polls - AS ban on all bots and on 1100 bot.

Compensation for solo build? Well only in the case of both lane players building solo. Using a glitch to compensate a strategy isnt that what "exploit" means though? You may not need AS to catch leaks, yes. But, you can still abuse it to disrupt send creep movement. If you are saying that AS wont be abused much during cross building, all the more reason to make the rules consistent on all bots for better transparency.

How is using AS unfair only on ent31, but not on ent18? If everyone are allowed to use it under the same rule...thats fair. One of the initial argument was also that people on ent31 did not really use antistuck, results, however, came out otherwise.

Changing creep movement cannot happen on ent18 as how it can happen on ent35? oO?

Why should a glitch (how you guys described AS as) be acceptable to be exploited in one bot, but not on another?

[Tedro32]

I_kill_satan said:
If u use AS to catch leaks (this consequence of solo yolo) actually u disrupt this logical chain by using glitch and get unfair advantage, and it also not required any skill.

greatbeyond said:
To me antistuck has a clear, sole purpose, and it is right within the name: antiSTUCK. This means, it is only supposed to be used as a tool to fix units that are stuck and anything else is a glitch. I believe that this function has been far too abuse

I agree with both statements and also, the fact that there is a big difference between other ltd bots and lihl . However, this tool has one fuction and has been abused so much and sometimes pubs doesnt even care the use and abuse of it. Furthermore, players from ENT18 to ent57 they will have to follow rules like the ones available, unless antistuck tool is being disable or its trigger is changed/modified.

I believe this part is irrelevant since i dont know if there is or will be someone editing the map:
I could think when a unit its stuck (which ihavent seen it in along time), the antistuck could be changed to:
1-Select unit and type -antistuck
2-Antistuck doesnt have a circle to cast, just click unit stucked and bottom to antistuck.
3-Antistuck works on units that arent moving + that doesnt belong to any allied or own units.

Anyway i dont wanna mix subjects. I think finding a new use for a tool that has only one function, is a fact that you are making your own way to win rather than playing by the game rules.

[I_kill_satan]

Compensation for solo build? Well only in the case of both lane players building solo. Using a glitch to compensate a strategy isnt that what "exploit" means though?

Why should a glitch (how you guys described AS as) be acceptable to be exploited in one bot, but not on another?

Because using AS for catch ally leaks on ent18 almost have no impact on the gameplay, and even help to make game more balanced mostly. For example if u play with solo 700 elo player who failed his build and vs cross, u could at least try to catch his leaks and enforce ur army (but it still will be very hard to play vs cross, even if ur second line also cross).

Yes AS is a glitch but most players who use ent18 agree that it is not make disbalance there. Banning it will create huge amount of ban requests and make people angry, also will require a lot of moderators time, but it is not worth it.

Ent31 positioning as higher skilled bot where is no place such disbalance elements as cross, double build, aura share, merc, dark green and as, and less player base there, so it could be regulated without any problems.

Changing creep movement cannot happen on ent18 as how it can happen on ent35? oO?

Players on ent35 can abuse AS for changing creeps movement when they build in middle and it allow them to divide own creep wave into two parts and kill it separately (they kill 1st part of it in that time, when 2nd part of creeps try to kill cheap "delay" units on dark green and clogged). But on ent18, most likely ur 2nd part of creeps just attack ur ally units from his back side and screw him. For avoiding it, ally should build far away from dark green from start, wat is almost never happened. Also AS have a big delay in 4v4 games esp on high levels, and players just cant use it. So in fact nobody could use it for abusive changing creeps movement on ent18 and 31.