Autohost Risk Devolution

[psycomarauder]

Oh how cute, everyone from the same clan logged on to copy each other's opinion. I have listened 100% to the community to create a map for them. Two risk lobbies fills slower then one, how can you argue with that? 2.3b gets about 30 games a day, 2.8 gets about 80 games per day, yet if there was only one lobby there would be far more players and people would CONTINUE TO PLAY RISK BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T TAKE SO LONG FOR A GAME TO START, which is key.

Please, explain to me how the most recent riskdevo map is "so different" from the old version? Details please.

What a coincidence that all three people who complain are in the same clan and act as if they speak for the whole community.


"Most players would prefer to keep playing Risk Devolution Reborn 2.3b"
Really? Because you have to post clan and bot messages and force players to train on 2.3b doesn't change the fact that its a minority playing on 2.3b.

People dont mainly play 2.8 devo because it's ranked, although that is probably a huge benefit. People enjoy the map more, plain and simple. You guys are just three old school risk players that are being incredibly selfish.

2.8 is not mainly played by garena players, you are simply wrong. Here comes the vocal minority I spoke of, the three clan leaders of clan dls who push 2.3b nonstop despite the fact that it causes games to fill so slowly. 2.8 contains the same units as 2.3b, just more options, all of your arguments up to this point are really just randomly grasping at things and they are mostly false... The only reason there are people still playing 2.3b is because they dont know how to join the other lobby and because your clan pushes 2.3b because it is what you three clan leaders enjoy most.

Kungen, please explain how it is best for everyone for a clan that has NOTHING TO DO WITH RISK WHATSOEVER to host a competing risk map to the latest version of risk devo? How is it better to have the old version and the most current risk devolution to be hosted side by side? Please, I'd like to know this. You said you were neutral didn't you? You guys are ridiculous.

[Era2.PurpLeHaZe]

Minority? You must be joking or? 90 % who play your map are coming from Garena and not from WC3. If your game wouldnt be connected there it would have alot less players. In WC3 yours is 100% the less popular game.
And no you never listened to the community about your game at all. You add things how you want them. How many people have tried to give you advice about the unitsystem and the ground and shit and everytime you reply in arguments and try to explain why your "ideas" are so much better. But i think you dont even realise that yourself anymore.

You can't really disagree on if you were ranking 2.3b that would have a much bigger playerbase. In your map the terrain is worse, the unit-system which is usually RNG fits alot less, your win-trigger is cheap and the ships are just weird. Same with abalities like taunt on Tank A. Also your game is full of noobs from garena, not even worth to play against them because they suck alot.

Its the same as always, again you dont get my/our points at all, instead you bring up other points and i just answered all of them but i can tell now already that you will just back them up with silly reason or youll come up with some new points. Just accept that RiskDevo 2.3b is more liked in the WC3 Community and will always be because its clearly the most-skilled and most liked riskmap and im saying that without feeling unsure in the name of the main of the WC3-Riskcommunity.

[Kungen.]

Psyco stop trolling.. do you see the irony? me purplehaze and jehovas speak for clan DLS the only active risk clan with 150 members, and 95 % of them like the real devo better, meanwhile u are here arguing alone form your side.. Start hosting the real devo instead and we wont haev a problem, i doubt the 10 k garena players will miund/notice the change.

[psycomarauder]

You don't speak for the members of clan dls, you speak for yourself. Why do so many dls people play the new version? Because despite all your messages being about the old version of risk devo, they still enjoy the new version. Haze, I encourage you to look at a games played page, 90% of the players are not coming from garena.

Ranking 2.3b would not have a bigger playerbase. Look how many people are playing 2.3b, look how many people prefer the new version. In the new version, there are two options of unit choices, the old units and an alternative set. You are complaining because the game has more options? INSANE.

I am arguing alone on my side? It is you and your posse of friends that have yet to explain why two risk lobbies is better than one. So far, 3 people have claimed that 2.3 is better and 2 have said otherwise. So because 3 people have said they prefer 2.3b, we should host both maps at the detriment of ALL RISK PLAYERS BY HOSTING TWO LOBBIES? Give me a break.

Haze what advice have you made that I haven't listened to? Listening, and changing everything you mention are two very, very different things. I always enjoy hearing from the community to create the best map possible for risk fans. I have been hosting risk since early 2009 and have been involved with risk way before you guys even played the maps.

So guys, what would fill faster? One lobby, or two lobbies? What's better? Risk to remain as one community, or divided into a risk community and a community that hosts 50 different wc3 maps? Yet again you speak for yourselves and act as if you are speaking for everyone.

Haze, how is the terrain worse? The rest of your complains are about a unit set OPTION which is chosen by majority vote. How ironic, you speak for yourself yet again and are complaining about something chosen by the majority of players.

Kungen, whats funny is that 1) you are not the only active risk clan, and 2) that you continue to push 2.3b on your clan members despite the fact that most of them play 2.8. There is NO BENEFIT to the risk community to have two versions of the same map being hosted.

[Era2.PurpLeHaZe]

Alone saying that the most of DLS players play 2.8 makes your whole post look hilarious.

[Kungen.]

I didn't even bother reading all since hes just trolling. We dont speak for clan DLS? most people in our clan play ur games? xDDDDDDDDD about 5 % play your game psyco stop making up lies. for a while i thougt u were serious but i realise u are just trying to troll as good as noodles ^^

I actaully counted the guys that play ur game in clan ( more than 2 games)
Stras94, Maggifix, Sweetyboobs and Hateofdelay, oldiee and Bonden(inactive) and me who barely plays...... yeah thats most of DLS xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
U are such a pothead psyco... no idea whatsoever ur living in ur own world

I'm not against your map psyco, ur the one saying we should do whats best for risk community, and that is ranking real devo.. deep inside you know that

[psycomarauder]

You guys are incredibly immature, I'm not sure why anyone would take you seriously.
Klutte, Elephant-man, nocnypolicjant, jeezup, galenjude, desperados, rezaf, jiddra, callmeimba, forest]myk...

Guys, I'm just looking at the top of the clan list, do I need to keep checking the clan list and then the website to see if they have an account? You have yet to address any of my questions or concerns yet attack me personally. You guys have a preference to 2.3b. But what is hilarious is that the new map offers all the features of 2.3b, except it also lags less, has detailed stats, and more people play it? What gives?

The truth is that there are a few MINOR, MINOR details that are different between the two maps. You guys are elite risk players, and you have mastered the 2.3b map and don't want to learn to adapt to the current, most popular map that is most supported by the existing risk community. I am actively editing risk devo, modifying the bots and the website to provide all risk players with the best experience and because there are a few slight tactic changes you are trying to convince the leaders of this website that they should divide our risk community in half. Unbelievable.

Why have there been only 20 2.3b games in the last 24 hours compared to at least 120 of the new version?

Once again, is it your failure to adopt to a few MINOR MINOR changes of the new map that is causing you to push to split the risk community up even when the majority are preferring the new map?

Once again, how is it better to have a non affiliated website hosting a competing map? Is two ffa lobbies better than ranked ffa, ranked 1v1, and ranked team risk? These questions have yet to be answered.

[Kungen.]

Klutte haven't been active in what? 1-2 years? jeezup played what 5 games 4 months ago? galenjude inactive since 2-3 months? desperados and rezaf never play ur game maybe 3 times? jiddra got what? 4 games? callmeimba got 14 games which he played 3 months ago? foresetmyk inactive for what 4 years? ..... pathetic attempt psyco
And all of the names u mentioned prefer the real devo except maybe klutte and myk

[psycomarauder]

http://www.risknextgen.com/handler.php? ... battle.net
http://www.risknextgen.com/handler.php? ... battle.net
http://www.risknextgen.com/handler.php? ... battle.net
http://www.risknextgen.com/handler.php?request=player:stats&name=forest%5Dmyk&realm=europe.battle.net

I am not going to go through the entire clan list, but I barely started looking and already proved you wrong. Also, imba has over 15 accounts and plays often, and you KNOW this, so why are you even daring to argue about this?

And why do you avoid my questions? You try to argue these little minor details but I am discrediting you at every aspect. Lets not try and argue semantics and discuss whats good for the risk community, please?

[Untildeath]

Dear psycomarauder

I am a member of clan DLS and i share opinions of both Kungen and Purplehaze. There is remarkable differences between ur risk map and 2.3b. You wanted details so i will write some of them that comes to my mind. Firstly the extra abilities on ships, medic lieutenant are bad for simplicity of the game and i dislike them. Secondly terrain and colour of the map is not simple for a risk map , those mountains and colourful terrain makes it harder to micro and limits fighting grounds. Thirdly you can avoid getting hit by piercing attacks (attack of bases) by moving your units. It is nice you wanted to inculede whole world in it but you just could not manage to make a good map that has details. 2.3b might focus on a certain geographical area but it is pretty accurate and feels good to play. I do not enjoy yours because of this .(Subjective argument idc if you think otherwise) Voting for settings is not a bad idea but i do not like your win trigger. You mentioned that your map is more advanced and reduces laggs that 2.3b but i have observed same kind of problems on your map.(Unit laggs or micro difficulties) I have no idea on what behalf of majority you think you are talking but there are remarkable differences between your map and 2.3 and i enjoy 2.3b more. If you want to collect all risk bots so it is for best you make ranked 2.3b. You made some accusations that clan DLS preteams and cheats or etc. i do not know on what world you live. Clan DLS is one of the most qualified clans i have ever seen. My friendlist is full of risk players and nearly all of them prefere 2.3b over your map. If you update riskdevo 2.3b without making whatever changes you like and include whole world in a simple and accurate way i would like to play your map then. Since that time comes i think ENT should not take the riskdevo bot down.

Thanks for reading

Yours sincerely

Dark_Burki@europe , Burak@useast

[Kungen.]

KLutte 4 games xD every one played the same day 1 month ago, and 0 games since then nice!
Jeezup 27 games sweet! compared to hes 126 games on normal devo! my mistake!
Callmeimba 5games nice bro!
and the last link didn't work!
And i aint even reading all ur shit because ur so stupid its not possible to argue with you. I like ur devo but if the real devo were ranked i would never play ur game and neither would most others except the ones who actually loved the RISKNEXTGEN game more than real devo. anyway why can't you answer on this? why not have real devo ranked and ur risknextgen? or maybe a trial and host ur devo and real devo and see what bot that hosts the most? what is it that you dont understand? what is it that wont sink in to ur brain? why dont u realise real devo is better?

[Untildeath]

Well psycomarauder even if you are right and your 120 games are played on your bot a day only %1 of the players are good enough for competition and all of them are probably members of DLS. The reason we do not play your map is not that we can not adopt ourselves to it but we do not like it. Everytime i play your map my eyes hurt and i do not really enjoy my game even though i win it %90. The only reason that your map is played more is because you advertise it better and have connection to Garena not to mention all Garena players are noobs and leaver. Try to host riskdevo 2.3b for a week with all your bots and see the feedback of players about which one is better. I bet most of them would like simplicity of 2.3 better. All of the opinions i have stated are mine and mine only and you do not have to respond to them.

Dark_Burki@europe , Burak@useast

[psycomarauder]

Untildeath, it sounds as if you are talking about risknextgen. This discussion is about something else, risk devolution. This has nothing to do with world risk.

Untildeath, are you aware that 2.8 has the exact same unit set as 2.3b risk?

Guys, this seems like kungen and friends are encouraging their favorite clan members to speak about why they much prefer 2.3b, but they arent even talking about the right map. Hard to discuss a subject you don't know anything about. Untildeath, I ask that you join the riskdevo 2.8 lobby and then come back with your opinions after you have ACTUALLY played the map. If you have, you would know it is very much the same as 2.3b and has no mountains.

I hope the admins of this website see whats going on. Kungen and his friends are getting anyone they can to oppose the map, yet they aren't even doing it accurately. Rather hilarious as usual. Please don't think that this vocal minority accurately is describing whats going on, they are just calling on friends.

[Kungen.]

Psyco all ur bullshit aside, why can't u host real devo for a short time and see if it will host more games than your devo? u could still host RNG also which u made.. so u dont feel completely worthless
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA we dont need to beg our members to write what they think!
Not like u who posted on ur own site and begging people to speak up for rng.. such a hypocrite
Which u can find here xD
http://www.risknextgen.com/index.php?to ... 0#msg17430

[psycomarauder]

I'm not being hypocritical, I am annoyed that you are calling on people who do not know the subject to speak here, and feel like that without asking people who support risk to weigh in on the subject that the admins of this website will get a skewed perception of whats really going on here. The reason I don;t host 2.3b is because 2.8 is superior and lags less, and has all the options of 2.3b and then some?

Grats, you caught me asking for support so these guys don't get the wrong idea here. You are doing the exact same on the clan dls channel as we speak, so I hardly see why I shouldn't do the same.

Why have there been only 20 2.3b games in the last 24 hours compared to at least 120 of the new version?

Once again, is it your failure to adopt to a few MINOR MINOR changes of the new map that is causing you to push to split the risk community up even when the majority are preferring the new map?

Once again, how is it better to have a non affiliated website hosting a competing map? Is two ffa lobbies better than ranked ffa, ranked 1v1, and ranked team risk? These questions have yet to be answered.

Are you ever going to answer the questions I raised or will they get ignored?