beepboopbeep@useast.battle.net

[eldryan]

oh well ...im gonna go off, gl with the complaint, the way u acted in those games and then big dodge, u got what u deserved, and im quite sure mods will come out with the same answer for u , hope u learn how to cooperate in the future, i have nothing personal against u, but I want to play good ltd games, and when 1 player says " this is the way we do, not like u ..or u...or u want, only what i want", then its not fun, because its a team play.

Hope to see you start teamplaying so we can keep having good lihl games...


"edit" : Sorry, i did search for jackass when u said he called u that, but didnt show up as there was a space beetween jack and ass....

I think we should all agree. when I play with you, you did that lol (send this lvl, etc). I don't see why any1 would get banned for "dodge" (how the *&^% was that a dodge, I was still whispering beep and not getting response when he !Unhost...and even so, how is that relevant to vk or any of this? I got opposite of what RULES say I deserve, which I follow. If one player says "what i say you deserve is this", then it's not league.

and krayzie, you didn't even read rest of replay. izno wanted to send FOR PRISONER, but ALREADY HAD ENOUGH NO SEND lol. so ofc I say no, we shouldn't. dino 2 for prisoner when have 15g already???

also, izno was massing prisoners AS TANKS FOR LVL 17. ofc I say "don't build more" lol, wtf would any1 say? and ygg wanted to build on hydras for 17 instead of on yggs, I say "go here" after healby said COME ON ME like 3 lvls ago. You don't even read all chat?

[eldryan]

Well eld, you did want to sit out of the game, but nobody would take your place, you asked the observers, left the game to ask people in the lobby, then rejoined nobody would take your place so we waited to for dj.fm to join, which ended up joining and led to you saying "im out" leaving the full lobby. So we wait a few minutes you don't come back, you did whisper me and i didn't reply because i told you in lobby to use !ignore or even used squelch.

I unhost the game, you don't sign up for the next one but your one of the first people to join as an observer, because you don't like somebody that's assigned to your team doesn't mean you dodge the game and ruin things for everybody waiting.

I got some whispers, regarding what will happen to eld because everyone saw what you did as clear game dodging, even heal asks in lobby what we should do about you... if i remember right we discussed game dodging in LIHL to be banable as the teams are A-BAL meaning no reason to leave.

As for me abusing my powers i closed your slot, because i was going to temporary ban you from LIHL for game dodging. So i treated you as an unvouched player.

You argue with many members of lihl so im not suprised by this complaint.

You shouldn't be, because you invented rule to ban me? I know healby asked that, he also said he wanted to ban me game before that happened, and before that, etc....

I also was whispering you about it, and you didn't respond. And I left before DJ joined, didn't see DJ join...

Edit: To take this further, healby also said he wanted to kill me (in lobby, or I would link replay). I don't think because "even heal asks in lobby what we should do about you" is valid. also, I was afk in game entire time, I joined as obs but was eating.....

Edit 2: LOOK at rules lol.

[Krayyzie]

this is my last post here

Hope we all can agree yes, and yes.. "send this lvl" isnt the problem, the problem is when someone says it, the answer is "NO, This is what we do" instead of , I think we should send this lvl instead , what u guys think? And then usually its easy to come up with a team decision.

The dodge part, i´ve made clear in my eyes its a pure dodge, u guys fight game before, both signs here, and u say u dont wanna play, tryin to find players, couldnt find, and even in lobby you write that you signed but wasnt fast enough to unsign when heal signed...
Dodge should have penalties, not up to me to decide what, but with random teams, if u can dodge, u can just decide to not play when u get a team u dont like or play vs a team u think is to good, to not get losses, which is fail imo.
I dont have the full story tho, because I cant see your whisps with beep... but from all i saw, its a clear dodge, whatever penalty comes from it, not up to me.

VK I cant say anthing about.But in this case my wild guess is beep had enough of all flaming( little bit of all chat flaming game before, followed by in channel and in lobby, and then dodging)
But once again , I cant say anything about that, nothing I can answer to.

Once again, I have nothing against u personal, I just want to have a teamplayed game where its possible to discuss actions and play as a team....

[eldryan]

Once again, you not read... I didn't flame. I say "NO" because HE HAD ENOUGH lol. He say he had prisoners, but would ruin our entire game for TEAM to send that lvl, AND he had 15g spare. He can still send that lvl, but no1 can furb and we all dino lolol.

I was asking BBB about "/squelch" which he mentioned in game. I had done it earlier, then left to ask him about it before I do anything. BEFORE RESPONDING, HE UNHOSTS AND MAKES ANOTHER GAME. I WAS SQUELCHING, AND YOU DON'T EVEN LISTEN. before I return to lobby, i try whispering bot "/w clan.enterprise" and "/w ent.lihl" and other commands, WHILE I WAS IN LOBBY - I was doing it, then he unhost without reply at all.

however, REGARDLESS OF THIS, whether you think it was dodging or not ( i have screen shot of whispers, beep said "if this user is saying/arguing etc. then there's bot command" so i whisper him about it) THIS ISN'T RELEVANT. It's not a rule, and is VK abuse.

[BeepBoopBeep]

I told you to use the !ignore command in game lobby,I don't see why you have to leave a game to ask me something which you can say in game. anyway i dug up something for you.

This was a draft of the etiquette rules for LIHL,

5. NO DODGING after the teams have been rolled. Once the bot has assigned teams, players are required to play the game. Please ensure that you have adequate time to play a full game after you !sign up for one."

Why it wasn't added to the etiquette in the first place i don't know and now it will be, as you violated this rule you will be punished accordingly.

[eldryan]

I told you to use the !ignore command in game lobby,I don't see why you have to leave a game to ask me something which you can say in game. anyway i dug up something for you.

This was a draft of the etiquette rules for LIHL,

5. NO DODGING after the teams have been rolled. Once the bot has assigned teams, players are required to play the game. Please ensure that you have adequate time to play a full game after you !sign up for one."

Why it wasn't added to the etiquette in the first place i don't know and now it will be, as you violated this rule you will be punished accordingly.

are you serious? IT WASN'T A RULE. That makes NO SENSE. You are changing rules then punishing ppl after you change it, before having it in rules. Maybe we should take all ur ELO for all ur d/c ever in LIHL, before rule change?

also I "USED" AND IT AND WAS TRYING TO WHISPER YOU TO USE.

also, Temporarily Unvouched are still allowed to obs normally. I have played with obs not vouched.

[BeepBoopBeep]

Eld, we made another game which you didn't even sign up because heal signed aswell and you didn't want to play with him, just confirms that you were dodging.

also, Temporarily Unvouched are still allowed to obs normally. I have played with obs not vouched.

We only let unvouched players spectate when everyone agrees which is never.

[eldryan]

Eld, we made another game which you didn't even sign up because heal signed aswell and you didn't want to play with him, just confirms that you were dodging.

also, Temporarily Unvouched are still allowed to obs normally. I have played with obs not vouched.

We only let unvouched players spectate when everyone agrees which is never.

a. I've done it. I can ask him to post here? It's one of Brave's clannies.

b. I wasn't unvouched, just banned. And actually not banned, yet. By a rule that isn't implemented.

c. I was watching the replay (from LIHL), I afk in channel like for 60 hours straight before. I haven't said anything in channel for like 2 hours, I didn't even obs that or join, dafq? I made game where you didn't sign, therefor you dodged me. Maybe you should also be banned?

Edit: you also see how my posts have been every 2 mins updated for hour? How is it possible to "dodge" even when your posting in forum with EVIDENCE of not...

[BeepBoopBeep]

b. I wasn't unvouched, just banned. And actually not banned, yet. By a rule that isn't implemented.

You are banned.

I didn't even obs that or join, dafq?

Are we even on the own page? This is where your whole complaint comes from ...

I made game where you didn't sign, therefor you dodged me. Maybe you should also be banned?

The whole difference is that you did sign, and dodged because you were with a certain player. When i don't want to play i don't sign not rocket science.

[eldryan]

Why am I banned? wtf? still doesn't make sense. there WASN'T EVEN A RULE, AND STILL ISN'T. and I STILL WASN'T banned lol, so not relevant? but you are missing the point, that this is complaint against you as mod abusing privileges and making up rules and enforcing without notification or publication, AFTER something happens then enforcing "retroactively". Not to mention vk abuse before asking, most of time ppl are ok with someone on a temp obsing.

also, I have seen you violate rule of "juggling king", however I didn't post despite other team's complaints because it wasn't yet published....

to copy paste the rules over here::

Welcome to ENT's LIHL! We have developed this league to provide the best possible gaming experience for our LTD players.

As this league is vouch based and thrives on fair and honest game play we ask that you adhere to the etiquette described below:

We are not newbs here; therefore we do not use the Mercenary race under any circumstances.
We are working on making our bots automatically choose -hpgmcb and builder as prophet. Until we can do this, we ask that the primary game mode be chosen as -hpgmcb with builder as prophet. (If you intend on choosing a different mode, please make sure that it is approved by the players in the game prior to starting.)
We like to have fair games. If someone DC's from the game, it is customary to !draw the game as quickly as possible (prior to lvl 20) so that we can start a new one and enjoy more fair game play. *EDIT (However, it is not viewed as customary to !draw a game after lvl 20, even with a DC)
We like to play complete games. If you are prone to disconnecting, please check out the following link: viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7991

In our continued commitment to provide the best gaming experience, we not only encourage fair game play, but there can be consequences for unfair play. Here are some of the violations that will result in being removed from the league:

Edit; Preventing king from attacking also known as juggling king will result in being removed.
Switching to merc
Refusing to !draw the game when you are the only player who has not voted
Excessive flaming, TKing, MHing, rage quitting, etc. All of ENT's LTD rules still apply in this league
(Please note that ENT Mods and Admins reserve the right to remove anyone from the LIHL who are seen as a threat to the integrity of the game and we operate on a no tolerance policy; players may be removed without warning)

Added: 5/13/2012
Any use of PM, All chat or voice software (i.e. skype, ventrilo, teamspeak, telephone) by observers to give any player information that can help him/her will result in immediate unvouching and possible ban
Anyone caught "ghosting" (i.e. - utilizing a player as a maphack) will result in immediate unvouching and possible ban

Remember, we are a skilled and mature group of players who have all joined our league with the expectation of honest, fair and fun games. Please help us keep this community clean! If you do witness any behavior that is threatening to our leagues integrity, please feel free to post on the forums or ask a Moderator for help.

Thanks for keeping it fun! We look forward to enjoying a fantastic gaming experience with you!

these are rules. no mention of what you are "banning" for...

[BeepBoopBeep]

1 Persons gains do not outweigh the other 7, you ruined the game your ban is a 24hr LIHL ban.

As for the etiquette i updated it and now is current and up to date.

I've said everything i needed to.

For the complaint for my votekick abuse? A forum moderator (green) or admin (red) will handle that.

[supersexyy]

Signing up for a game then leaving because you disagree with the teams is against the spirit of the game no matter what way you look at it. Indeed it wasn't in the published rules but this should have been common sense.

I'm giving you a 24h LIHL ban (you will be re-vouched in 21 hours from this post).

You will still be able to obs games during this period, similarly to other temporarily unvouched players.

As for the complaint about Beep, he probably though unvouched players weren't allowed to join as obs, I'm sure we can agree to drop this very minor incident.

And while I'm here, I've had a lot of complaints about your attitude. I can understand you may get upset, but flaming and continual blaming does not result in anything other than upset players. I hope you work towards fixing this in the future.

[eldryan]

I didn't leave because I disagreed. I left to ask if posh was !sign or returned and i could sit? this happens every day, 24/7, and I've seen beep and others do.

as to BBB vking, not only did he do that he banned with rule not even there?? also, it's VK abuse similar to all other vk... if I vk others I get ban, but mods can vk no ban???

it's very rare that 3 games will start w/o som1 saying "oh w8, unhost I will sit but x is pm for 3s"

[supersexyy]

You were dodging as you did not want to play with heal - that is what your LIHL ban is for.

Indeed it was not written down, but this really should be common sense. I'm sure you're logical enough to agree.

Lets not create a shit storm out of nothing.

[cyberpunk]

It's already a rule, please see the rules post: viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7619
If you leave the channel then you should !unsign yourself, and then !sign yourself back when you enter the channel.

It should be obvious that you must join the game if you sign into it.

Moderators: please read the rules before saying it's not in the rules. Not my fault you guys added an etiquette post LOL