Stats system poll

[uakf.b]

We want some feedback on our stats system and whether it is beneficial or not. So answer the questions on this poll (you can select however many options you believe are good). Please see this suggestion for more information: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5098

Basically, the suggestion is to make most stats, especially ELO, only private (meaning you can only see your own stats). It is debatable whether this is just in-game or also on the website. The reason is that players use the stats to stack teams or leave/votekick because they don't like their teammates.

The counter-argument is that stats can be used by good players to balance out the game. Also, players will anyway either look up stats on the website (if it's not hidden there) or remember especially pro/newb players that they played with, so removing it won't prevent stacking.

Again, see the original proposal for more information. Also, if you want to discuss the proposal, please post in that thread, not here. But if you want to talk about the poll itself (say, to add more poll options or something) then you can post here.

Note: if you are viewing this from the front page, click here to view the poll.

[cyberpunk]

My vote -> Yes, but all of these options suck.

imho -> Should hide all stats in the game lobby.

[uakf.b]

Um... then why didn't you select "Hide all stats in the in-game stats commands."? The specifics of what in-game stats commands means can be debated... but your choice doesn't make sense.

[cyberpunk]

Can't you allow them to use !stats only in the game and not in the lobby?
My point is, they are using !stats *to check if they got a good team* and then they leave if their team has a bad stats, so the game takes some time to start.

[uakf.b]

Can't you allow them to use !stats only in the game and not in the lobby?
My point is, they are using !stats *to check if they got a good team* and then they leave if their team has a bad stats, so the game takes some time to start.

Yes, but the poll option for hide in-game doesn't specify if it's all game long or just in lobby. So you should vote for that option.

[Mia]

I definitely think something should be done too. I've gotten kicked in the lobby of ent legion td games for not having any stats. Usually end up playing legion td on other bots instead.

[cyberpunk]

I definitely think something should be done too. I've gotten kicked in the lobby of ent legion td games for not having any stats. Usually end up playing legion td on other bots instead.

You can report these players to get a ban.

The stats should be like a reward, the bot should display the stats *in private* after 5 minutes when the game start saying the current stats and how much elo they will receive if they win that game.

If you liked my vote here -> Hide all stats in the in-game stats commands.
ps. you can change your vote =)

[Nz.Death]

So cyber , I changed my vote. But what your saying is in the game lobby. No stats can be displayed by type !sd , !stats etc.. But in-game you can?

Will you still be able to check your own stats in the lobby?

[cyberpunk]

So cyber , I changed my vote. But what your saying is in the game lobby. No stats can be displayed by type !sd , !stats etc.. But in-game you can?

Imo should be no stats in the lobby, if you type should show just your own stats to you in private.
I don't see any problem to !stats playerx in the game due to autoban.

[Nz.Death]

Thats what i meant, You can view your own stats in the game lobby but they are only visible to you.

[Palsgraf]

My vote: Do something if bot detects game is too stacked (e.g., balance game after warnings, or don't track stats for the game).

[Ultimate_aMaYa]

I think there are players who have high ELO because they got carried by friends, and some has low ELO but play well (at least better than their stats lol).

The only option I'll play an unbalanced game is if I'm with friends, we want to play together so it can be vs "noobs" or vs "pro" , I prefer 2nd option but some just leave in lobby

Tbh if I play with 3 others player who has a lot of ELO v a noob team, I just leave the game and join next one because I don't wana play a game for +0.5 ELO with guys I don't know and who may make us lose 29.5 ELO xD

There is some "pro" with a lot of ELO who aren't friendly cause I've already played vs or with them, so when I see them I make sure to not be in their team

And the logic is : you have to defeate the best to get more points, just saying ... people who just switch team aren't recognized as pro
I'm not saying I've never left a lobby because the other was to strong, but there is a game hosted every 30 seconds, so I highly doubt there is a team of 4 pros every game

[cyberpunk]

My vote: Do something if bot detects game is too stacked (e.g., balance game after warnings, or don't track stats for the game).

If you have many friends playing in ent bot, the bot will never count the stats for you and for your friend. Also you know how some games fills faster than others, let's say you are playing alone then you join a game and everyone in your team is from a different realm, you don't even know them.. still the bot will not count because the bot thinks the game is too stacked.. then if the other team wins the game, they will not get any rewards.. ¬¬
That's the reason to not vote in this option. :3

[randomloser]

I'm inclined to say there is no problem but I voted for the last one. I think this is more of a custom problem then a dota problem. This isn't to say the problem doesn't exist in dota it does however by adding something like this to dota players would simply migrate to a bot that would allow them to continue on stacking like they do. For customs I think you're the only site that tracks stats so they're fresh out of luck. I think auto balance would be ideal except maybe allow an option to say by pass via ent link or something. I don't mean total stack domination although I'm sure of the possibility. Most cases it is simply 2 players so it shouldn't be too hard to allow them to play together while still having a relative balanced team unless they're both 1300 elo or something.

[supersexyy]

Can't you allow them to use !stats only in the game and not in the lobby?
My point is, they are using !stats *to check if they got a good team* and then they leave if their team has a bad stats, so the game takes some time to start.

I agree with this.