Ban Appeal: NubZ @USeast, not sure why I was banned

[UrMumSucksMeOff]

Your Warcraft III username: Nubz
Realm/Gateway: US East
Why are you banned: Flaming - Game TID 132083 (security)
Why you should be unbanned: I'm not 100% sure what game this came from and why I'm banned, but I have a good hunch it was a Castle Fight 3v3 game I played last night, I think it was [ENT] Castle Fight 3v3! #99 if my memory serves me, but the number could be off. I think this is unreasonable, I worked together with my team, even guided them in what they should build because they were beginners. The reason I "flamed" the other team (a little, nothing really insulting or personal) is because the other team picked a completely troll mode which, you can check the chat log, at the end of the game I even mention if I was an asshole I could request a ban on them because that mode ruined the game. One of our teammates was lagged out by the mode on the last round: they picked income timer 2 with 1000 start gold, basically just a troll fest where you make buildings as fast as you can, not a real game mode.

I couldn't find my ban request under Processed Requests, but if I had to guess it was someone from that game. This seems really unfair: any length ban for some light-hearted trolling because they intentionally picked a troll mode, yet I still played the game, taking it seriously, my trolling in no way impacted the game itself and was not demeaning. If anything red should get a ban from that game because he lied about game modes and wasted everyone's time.

[BeerLord]

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[Merex]

"Light-hearted trolling" that's a new one.

No, you flamed to nearly everyone in the 2 games you were reported for and to throw more fuel to the fire you saved game randomly which is against the rules, as-well.

Seeing as you took the blindsided approach following cries of unfairness and a sprinkle of the blame game, I'm finding it really hard to not deny this appeal. Feel free to look at the topic above and carefully consider your next response.

[UrMumSucksMeOff]

We have a different understanding of what happened here. My trolling was not aimed at demeaning anyone and not personally against anyone. No one ever said hey please stop this is bothering me, it was just me making fun of everyone while the other team raged at Volleyball being new. If anything I lightened the mood for Volleyball by not making it as serious for him, and blue in the 2nd game found my trolling funny. It's fascinating to me that even WC3 is becoming hypersensitive to these types of things, although the hypocrisy is palpable. It's ok for the other team to try to votekick a new player, talk about desynching the game in their ally chat, and to set up troll modes in the remake without warning (this is a lie by omission and a bannable offense, should be even more so because it was done maliciously), but it's not okay for me to troll these people. Yes, you can shoot that man, if he talks shit about you afterwards for doing so, we'll be sure to sue him too so he has a gag order. That's basically the moral standard being applied here. I really feel that way for Volleyball in specific: I feel sad that a new player was banned for 5 days because two children didn't know how to communicate with him. In the 2nd game we played, he eventually listened to my instructions, even though I had to repeat them several times because he didn't speak English well. We even won one of the rounds because he tried and learned! Yes, he was a total noob, but he didn't deserve to get treated the way he has been.

This is a good example of how rules should never be followed blindly without first examining the context of each situation. Volleyball was treated like shit the entire first game by his teammates, so while you can make the case that he didn't use his rescue strike and that means he ruined the game for them at the end, you can make a much stronger case that his teammates initiated ruining the game for him by excluding him from the team and he was just retaliating. How is this not self-evident? I just watch the replay and see, oh wow, FOUR minutes in red initiates a votekick against him, this is done BEFORE he does any ruining. The votekick and desynch threats are done purely because they don't want to deal with a beginner. That would be a light bulb moment for me that Volleyball was mistreated well before he retaliated. If I was a super by-the-book admin, I would still impose a harsher sentence on the experienced players who ruined the experience for the beginner and let Volleyball off with a light warning, perhaps a 24 hour ban. Instead the opposite happened, where red got a 24 hour ban, Volleyball got a 5 day ban, and engra wasn't banned at all because he wasn't the one who typed the game modes that were a lie by omission, his friend did. He wasn't the one pulling the trigger, he was "just" with his friend in both games and participated in excluding the new player, and that's totally okay, he's an innocent bystander. This is also a fundamental difference between eastern & western culture. The individual is valued above all in the west, while there is more emphasis on the community in the east. I think both should be equally important. Engra as an individual should be responsible for going along with his friend in excluding a new player from the community.

Last thing I'll address - I had no idea saving the game was a bannable offense. I don't understand why it would be - maybe in some situations/games where intense micro is required saving can ruin the moment, but Castle Fight is not such a game and the game was already over. I saved at the very end of the 2nd game because I wanted to have a save of the game just in case I needed it for posting here - I even said in the chat in the end of the 2nd game that if I was an asshole I could submit a ban request on them. Not sure how saving is adding fuel to the fire here, it was totally harmless. Another example of rules followed without context - if I had saved in a game which required micro and with clear intention of ruining, then I would totally understand, but clearly this was not the case. There will never be a perfect system of rules to follow, in anything (video games, government, economics, geopolitics, moral right & wrong, etc.). Each situation is unique, and rules are meant to be guideposts, not solutions. Elevating a rule to be used as the final decision source is a recipe for intellectual stagnation, alienation of those who do not conform, and eventually revolution via means that challenge and upend the rules once lighter touch methods have been demonstrated to be ineffective in influencing the rule makers and their followers.

BTW, I don't have any expectations here, just sharing a different perspective. Take what you will from this. Have a good day!

[BeerLord]

jesus h christ, if ever anyone needed to go smoke a blunt, ur it.

[pr0totype]

You should probably provide a tl:dr.

Saving the game is bannable as it can cause a disconnect. If you feel they should be banned, post a ban request.

[UrMumSucksMeOff]

Ah got it, I was the one who saved BTW so all good, I'll pass on submitting a ban request on myself lol. I won't do it again now that I understand it can cause disconnects. BeerLord omegalul, well played sir, that's exactly the conclusion I was hoping you'd land on!

Edit: in all seriousness, this situation has brought to light some interesting dynamics, at least for me. If no one else got anything from it, it's demonstrated in this microcosm on ENT/WC3 the intricacies of some of the large social and moral changes that we are going through these days as a society and as human beings. It's cool how that works, everything is really a reflection of the source energy each of us puts out. I called this situation into being as a way to bring light to the disharmony of the current (dis)order haha. Law of attraction at work baby. This is leading edge stuff on WC3.

[Yarragon]

I have no idea what transpired here, but this was a wild read.

[Nun]

Yes.

[BeerLord]

You are a very good writer.

[Yarragon]

Can this guy be unbanned just because he put so much effort into this appeal that even a troll that's been around for a while would be impressed? I'm not even sure what he's talking about at this point, but it's entertaining and made me laugh. Like I'm not even sure if he's serious at this point or just sticking to his guns of trying to be a philosopher.

[Merex]

And I find it honestly surprising that someone with such knowledge that walks into the appeal section with paragraphs of unique perspective translates to a guy who was banned for spamming in all caps and calling people "faggots" for pretty much the entirety of a 50 minute game.

I still remain unconvinced, to say the least. I don't find these words of yours to even remotely relate to the ban nor this ban appeal. I will however be willing to reduce your ban if you follow such instructions below.

Please link me the general rules and the game specific rules of the game(s) you got banned in, and highlight the specific rule(s) you believe you violated.
You can find them on our wiki.

That way, I can ensure another rule-violation by you, caused by not-knowing the rules, will not happen again. After linking me to the rules, I expect you to have read them. Cooperating will have a positive effect on your ban duration.

[eng]

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=132116&p=512408&hilit=nubz#p512408
please read my comment on your initial brq

Let me address your points one by one

while the other team raged at Volleyball being new

be specific. who? red? blue? teal? because i have a very different memory of the same game

It's ok for the other team to try to votekick a new player

again untrue, there was only one person who was willing to vk, and nobody else supported. you yourself wanted to VK your entire team. so by your logic you also fall in this bucket then?

talk about desynching the game in their ally chat, and to set up troll modes in the remake without warning

again untrue, only one person talked about it and nobody else condoned it. troll modes were indeed activated without warning and red has subsequently been banned in the brq above.

a new player was banned for 5 days because two children didn't know how to communicate with him

do you know what he was banned for? please educate yourself before writing an essay that is half erroneous

he didn't deserve to get treated the way he has been.

see comment above. if you are talking about treatment ingame - he goes around screaming "FK U ENGRA" and neither red or engra (me) responded in an negatively/insulting manner. so who is excluding who?

ruining the game for him by excluding him from the team and he was just retaliating

again, please educate yourself before making wild accusations. he was playing in his own world for the first part of the game. red was trying to help halfway into the game and he just kept screaming "FK U ENGRA I ONLY LISTEN RED"

The votekick and desynch threats are done purely because they don't want to deal with a beginner.

you claimed u watched replay and even mentioned red initiated the vk, how is this "they" again? do you know what the word "they" means?

I would still impose a harsher sentence on the experienced players who ruined the experience for the beginner

How was the experience ruined? red chose to help, i chose to stay mostly silent. banned for staying silent and not wanting to help someone who didnt want to recieve help? lul

engra wasn't banned at all because he wasn't the one who typed the game modes that were a lie by omission, his friend did

Engra as an individual should be responsible for going along with his friend in excluding a new player from the community.

wild accusations again, i literally dont even know who red is. lol.

TLDR: please properly educate yourself before making wild accusations trying to be righteous and creating false information that only benefits your story

[UrMumSucksMeOff]

Hey guys, thanks for being willing to work with me, even if my methods are unconventional I'll start by coming clean on a few things. I agree with you, Merex: this thread is about my actions, not anyone else's, and what I wrote has nothing to do with my behavior, which involved a lot of childish trolling and so warrants a ban because it impacted the enjoyment of other players. Sometimes I like to troll everyone and everything as a way to distress, but of course I do this at the expense of others, and it does not change anything in my life long-term. Actually, for me personally trolling kicks the can down the road, postpones coming to terms with how I feel by distracting myself, satiating on the absurd, on transient pleasures, and in the end I feel even more unfulfilled and empty because I'm acutely aware in my moments of lucidity of how much effort I put into denying my nature. I put more effort, creativity, feeling into entertaining myself on a video game than into being all of who I'm meant to be and caring for what & who truly matters to me in life.

Back to the matter at hand, I understand I violated the following rules and I am sorry to anyone I may have offended by my trolling:
Do not flame, rage, troll, or insult other players excessively.
Do not pause the game while playing in order to distract players and hinder gameplay. Do not save the game.

Final request: is there any chance you would consider an appeal for Volleyball? I know this isn't normally done, but he barely speaks English and probably doesn't even know how to appeal a ban request. I'll take the 5 day ban for him if that's an option, just add the duration onto my existing ban. He simply reacted to his teammates' attitude about him, and when he was on my team in the next game, I could see that he did not understand how to play, so it was legitimate confusion on his part, he was not trolling. I just looked at the replays and found evidence. If you look at the chat in the first replay (https://entgaming.net/customstats/castl ... /11167378/), from 15:11-15:40, you can see he is confused by the cage mechanic and thinks this team is ruining the game. He's just a beginner, if his team actually listened to his responses they would have understood that and tried to explain instead of exacerbating the situation. For contrast, in game 2's replay (https://entgaming.net/customstats/castl ... /11167553/), I had to instruct Volleyball (this time on my team) constantly throughout the game on what to do because he had no clue. I think most people would have reacted a lot more strongly than Volleyball did if their allies were so dismissive of them. It would be really cool if he was given the benefit of the doubt here.

[eng]

if his team actually listened to his responses they would have understood that and tried to explain instead of exacerbating the situation

again with the false statements, lul. review the replay you linked yourself.

(13:37 / Allied) enGra: need cage
(13:48 / All) Volleyball: stfu enGra
(15:47 / Allied) shushuteachu: he meant to do this
(15:53 / Allied) shushuteachu: its called cage
(16:04 / Allied) shushuteachu: u rally your cheap units inside it
(16:06 / All) NubZ: stfu grey i fuck ur mum every night at carnival
(16:16 / Allied) shushuteachu: to lure their speciality

and for the second time, please educate yourself on why he was banned before trying to be a hero here