banned for "maphack"

[nabo.]

Just in the last few days ive played with this guy a few times and ive seen him get ganked and make many mistakes.

Feel free to post the games.

[KidTwist]

i am curious to know why posts are being deleted ? When people are trying to defend and backup my situation you guys just delete the posts to win this? what kind of power abuse it this!? Lets also delete all the posts made by mods that are defending nabo's side to even out the playing field, the way i see it i am playing an unwinnable game.

[NumberOneStunna]

I've looked at this really closely and thought about it from a Geo player's perspective.

The troll incident:

This is nothing but a series of mistakes. Geo was playing passive at this point in the game and didn't want to engage in the team fight, so he went for rosh. When the dust settled, he ran away. The team fight ended at the exact moment troll was going toward rosh, so it's possible geo was reacting to either of those facts. Geo should have joined the fight earlier, but that's all there is to this incident. Mistake on his part.

The WW incident:

I had the same reaction as Frank, but maybe even stronger. I actually think I would have made the same play, in general. WW runs South, so geo follows. After about 10 seconds of following, Geo realizes that WW's arctic burn is now available, so he would fly over some trees. Where is he most likely to go? Right? No. That's too accessible for Geo. So he goes left, but does he go toward base or away from base? From WW's perspective, Geo is most likely to guess toward base, so WW goes away from base. That's how I usually plan blind blinks on any hero. Keeping one mental step ahead of a typical strategy. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't. There are two additional facts about this incident that suggest to me that MH is unlikely:

1. When blinking into the left-side trees, as Geo did here, there are a limited number of "open" spaces that units will fit into, so if you click your blink on a random space, you usually don't end up exactly where you targeted, since, if you clicked on a bunch of trees, the game will autocorrect and put you into an open space. So we don't really know exactly where Geo meant his blink to land. All we know is that he landed in one of the few open spaces.

2. Not throwing additional nets doesn't tell us anything. If you watch the rest of the replay for context, he sometimes throws random nets in different directions and sometimes doesn't. I suspect he's just undisciplined in his control of the grouped Meeps and doesn't always have them properly selected or queued. Frank suggested something to this effect.

My understanding after reading countless decisions on maphack bans on our forums is that ENT has a blanket policy of not banning for isolated incidents unless they are 100% proof of maphack. I've seen much, much more blatant plays not result in a ban, because they were isolated incidents. And the rosh incident adds literally nothing, as explained above. @nabo. I would appreciate your thoughts on this issue, as I am still in the process of learning about the standard for judging a maphack ban.

[nabo.]

@NumberOneStunna

23:08 meepo dies. Loses sight of ww 23:09. meepo revives 23:15. During the 6 seconds, how would you know which direction ww ran? How you know he ran straight down?

There is no vision during whole top lane running. This is not a chase since meepo lost vision of ww...

23:22 ww flies to left trees.

23:24 main meepo turns back towards left jungle (while other meepos are running towards the left), 23:29 meepo blinks and nets right away and ww is there.

You say there are only "few" in-between tree spots. But, there are actually quite many gaps you can dagger into? + ww could have flown anywhere(doesnt have to consider tree gaps), why would u think he flew in that direction when you had no vision on him since 23:08 (21 seconds ago)?

"Geo realizes that WW's arctic burn is now available" But, ww never used it? Only ulted and splinter blast.
You talk as if based on arctic burn cd, meepo reacted to that timing and turned towards jungle. False. So again, ww could have flown somewhere at any time.

When you watch the replay, you must understand that there was NO vision at all (turn fog on while watching)+ or little to no hints indicating ww's movements to chase something.

At most, it is luck which I doubt. So, dont say you gonna do what he did.

Imo this incident is pretty suspicious. Agreements will be the final judge.

[KidTwist]

Well im atleast glad you guys took many days to seriously decide on whether i should be banned for maphack or not.

[NumberOneStunna]

Nabo: I'm with you. I'm not saying I'd have done things exactly as he did, but "in general." I probably would have blinked to left woods about 5 seconds earlier. And the precise timing of his move is what makes the incident suspicious. But maybe it took him five extra seconds to get to the same mental step where I would have been. That's why we both say it's "at most luck." And probably not luck, but that's why people usually don't get banned for one instance.