Overlook in a banrequest

[DinWiesel]

Your Warcraft III username: WinWeasel
Realm/Gateway: US@EAST
Why are you banned: viewtopic.php?f=172&t=103773

VOTEKICK ABUSE

Why you should be unbanned: I feel like moderator autopiloted through the banrequest, without taking a proper look of what happened in the game. Surely the ban requests should be judged case by case and not have auto solution for keywords in you find in chat(votekick)? My point being: There is difference between votekick abuse, and votekicking a player who ruins the game before in its first minute, and forces other players to stay in the destroyed game for possibly over an hour. This case here is the latter.

Im going to explain what happened:

Players yellow "HYBRID" and player orange "kyou" are friends of eachother who are playing together. This can be seen in their match history.

Game of Legion td 1200+ begins
Player teal "Killertwix" is noticed to be afk in first seconds of the game.
Pause is issued
Player yellow "HYBRID" instantly unpauses the game
Several players pause the game, repeatedly, only to be unpaused instantly again by "HYBRID"
/Draw is issued. Everyone else but players "HYBRID" and "kyuo" and the afker "Killertwix" draws. No dice, majority vote is not enough for some reason, 2 votes against draw are stronger than 5 votes for it.
After all the pauses are used, level 1 starts player teal "Killertwix" is still afk and didnt build for wave 1.
The game is ruined.
All of the 5 other present players plead for players "HYBRID" and "kyo" to draw the game, but as they destroyed the game already for 6 others players they decide to roll with it and not draw.

Now we are in situation where 5 players wants to get out of the game that is ruined before it has even began, but 2 players (and the afker) who forced the situation are holding the other 5 players in the game. This is a hostage situation where innocent players have to sit trough a ruined, unfun, uncompetetitive and unfair game for possibly over an hour or leave and get autobanned. Of course player "killertwix" is part of the reason game was ruined, by being afk in the first place.

Im requesting immidiate banlift from following players: snuggleboob, durzo_blint, Peruanorenegado, WinWeasel and FapiOn. As honestly, its outrageous we are the ones getting punished. Kind of behaviour player "HYBRID" is showing here should not be encouraged by ent-gaming moderators.

[hybridboys]

We didnt destory the game, teal was afk. That wasnt our fault. Draw is option and WE DIDNT WANT IT. It was vk abuse. You just dont know ENT rules.

[Vendeta]

I went threw this replay, and i have to say, even tho vk abuse was done, pink and green (WinWeasel and Fapion) are baned for trying to be fair to the other team.

If u try just a small research on the forum, we can all see that u guys dont just ban for VK abuse for everything.

I had couple brq for vk denied also, cause u guys said like it was not serious vk. So, u cant let it go when someone try to VK u just for fun, to make u mad, but when someone try to be fair u ban them ? Then you should ask yourselves is it actually problem in u guys (mods) ? Because u ban fair players, and let dicks go. And im not talking about unpausing in this game, im talking about dicks who start vk just to mess with someone, thats same as flaming.

So, if u ask me, u should unban all of them, but if not all, then just pink and green, thats WinWeasel and Fapion, because all they wanted is to be fair to other team and make that draw for them pass.

[DinWiesel]

We didnt destory the game, teal was afk. That wasnt our fault. Draw is option and WE DIDNT WANT IT. It was vk abuse. You just dont know ENT rules.

http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?title=EntGaming:Rules

This is in the rules:

Do not ruin the game on purpose


You ruined this game on purpose for 6 players (excluding your friend) by forcing it to start unbalanced (4vs3.) Self-explanatory. No one can disagree that the game wasnt ruined by your actions.

[hybridboys]

We didnt ruin the game, we played normally. Standard build, send with team and no troll. Its not the game ruin. Teal ruined the game by his afk.

btw. on ENT game 4vs3 is impossible, it was 4vs4 ON START.

[reejee]

That is the point, the behaviour Hybrid is displaying should not be encouraged by the mods imo.
It's the world upside down like this. What is the reason the rules are in place anyway? To encourage FairPlay ? Not in this case....

[Stiff_Maistar]

@Dinwiesel
To speed up things here.

First of all, you can only make a ban appeal for yourself and not the others, they would have to make an appeal themself.

Second of all, The player who went afk is the one who ruined the game. The player who was afk broke a rule.
Hybrid and his friend did not break any rules when they didnt want to draw, draw is a vote and never MANDATORY.
They are allowed to unpause if they want, there is no rules saying you arent allowed to unpause a game.
5 votes vs 2 should have been enough for a draw, but i guess the system wasnt able to pick up that the afk player got kicked.

Weasel, for your own interest:

Do you understand why you are banned?
And please link the General and LTD rules, and the specific rule you broke while you wait for a mod.

[DinWiesel]

@Dinwiesel
To speed up things here.

First of all, you can only make a ban appeal for yourself and not the others, they would have to make an appeal themself.

Second of all, The player who went afk is the one who ruined the game. The player who was afk broke a rule.
Hybrid and his friend did not break any rules when they didnt want to draw, draw is a vote and never MANDATORY.
They are allowed to unpause if they want, there is no rules saying you arent allowed to unpause a game.
5 votes vs 2 should have been enough for a draw, but i guess the system wasnt able to pick up that the afk player got kicked.

Weasel, for your own interest:
Do you understand why you are banned?

No i dont.

See, teal ruined the game by being afk, this is no-brainer we agree.

The rule HYBRID broke was Do not ruin the game on purpose We the 5 banned players in the game agreed and votekicked both rule violating parties, teal for being afk, and HYBRID for ruining the game on purpose for rest of us. If unbiased (we dont know eachother) overwhelming majority (5 of 7) of the participiants of the game in the matter were on the opinion that HYBRID was ruining the game too, who are u to say he wasnt? Once again HYBRID broke the rule of Do not ruin the game on purpose

and hence

Do not abuse !votekick: its only purpose is to kick game ruinners who violate ENT's rules and negatively impact the game for either or both teams in the game.

Rule being violated is Do not ruin the game on purpose The votekick was justified.

[FalenGa]

@DinWiesel

You keep quoting this rule, while probably ignoring all the rest.

Can you take a look at the rest of the rules? If you still have questions after doing so, feel free to ask.

[DinWiesel]

Yes, ive read the rules very carefully.

[hybridboys]

@DinWiesel
I am sorry, but i find that hard to believe.

http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?tit ... ming:Rules
Do not deceive players about rules in an attempt to get them banned (note, !draw is not an obligation, but a vote).

http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?tit ... ng:VKRules
Do not abuse !votekick: its only purpose is to kick game ruinners who violate ENT's rules and negatively impact the game for either or both teams in the game.

I'll quote myself from a 2nd appeal for the same reason.

We have a pretty straight-forward senario here.
A player decides to go afk. Then the rest of the players decide to pause the game and wait for him, while one doesn't want to wait and keeps unpausing.

Who do you think is at fault here? The afk guy, or the guy who kept unpausing the game?

[DinWiesel]

@DinWiesel
I am sorry, but i find that hard to believe.

Excuse me? You find it hard to believe that i read through the whole PAGE of text, that ive been quoting in this very thread, you believe i read every second sentece? Every third?

http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?tit ... ming:Rules
Do not deceive players about rules in an attempt to get them banned (note, !draw is not an obligation, but a vote).

Never have i once done this

http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?tit ... ng:VKRules
Do not abuse !votekick: its only purpose is to kick game ruinners who violate ENT's rules and negatively impact the game for either or both teams in the game.
??
I'll quote myself from a 2nd appeal for the same reason.

We have a pretty straight-forward senario here.
A player decides to go afk. Then the rest of the players decide to pause the game and wait for him, while one doesn't want to wait and keeps unpausing.

Who do you think is at fault here? The afk guy, or the guy who kept unpausing the game?

The guy who is afk? Unpausing is not against rules. I dont think i had this wrong at any point tho?

[FalenGa]

@DinWiesel
So, we've established that unpausing is not against our rules, and that draw is not a mandatory, correct?

The above 2 reasons were why the player who reported you was kicked. Since we just proved that neither of them are against our rules, this votekick is also proven abusive, hence the penalty.

[FalenGa]

@DinWiesel
Do you understand now the reason for your ban?

[DinWiesel]

Sure, no votekicking game ruiners anymore. Got it!