[Battleships]ban request on Lol.No.Care [glitching]

[mild7777seven]

Your Warcraft III username: lighterfine
Violator's Warcraft III username: LOL.NO.CARE, 09t2783orgfe
Game name or map name: battleship
Stats page link:
Rule player violated: "use of a utility" "glitching"
Time of incidents (Note in-game timer or replay timer): pooling from the beginning
Any further thoughts:

I have filed one ban request on this kind of issue; and it was processed: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=25305

"The 2 accounts are suspected to be the same player. In the game, 09t2783orgfe buy hulls and drop them on LOL.NO.CARE which causes the map to auto-sell them for full price.

The real issue is that he is doing something equivalent to multi-boxing (and regardless of if it is multi-boxing or multiple vm / etc I'm going to use multi-boxing).
He joins the games with the other accounts, lol.no.care and 09t2783orgfe. 09t2783orgfe then proceed to use item burning to give all their gold to lol.no.care. You will also notice that they all move at different times than the others (which is a good indication that only 1 person is controlling them) and that 09t2783orgfe have very low apm (almost like they joined the game with the purpose to afk).

This is clear-cut usage of multi-boxing to gain an advantage over the other team as anybody good at battleships can tell you, in a 1v5 from start, the 1 wins. Due to his highly accelerated gold gain he is easily able to kill anybody on the other team and quickly wins."

[lolships]

A few notes on this:

1. Who is actually in charge of whether or not burning items is a "glitch" in Battleships? "Glitch" implies "error in programming" - there seems to be massive dispute over whether this is actually the case! The high level players all do this regularly, and teach the newer players (myself included) to burn. If this is something game moderators are actually going to start banning people for, the whole game is going to get turned upside down.
Also, to quote YOU, mild7777seven, "I am not talking about burning items. I burn items every game." These are your words, which can be found on < viewtopic.php?f=24&t=25305&p=113466#p113466 > and clearly demonstrate the absurdity of your claim that other people should be banned for burning, but not you. To drive the point home, I'll quote you a second time, "I agree that burning is ok." < viewtopic.php?f=8&t=25300&p=113465#p113465 >

2. Is multi-boxing is considered the use of a utility? The rules state "The use of any utility that gives you an unfair advantage over other players will result in a permanent ban." It isn't clear that this includes having a second computer - you're still only using the single utility, wc3 itself. I didn't realize until now that multi-boxing might even be considered banning, since the term "multi-boxing" only shows up once on the rules page - very specifically under "Island Defense".

@ mild7777seven: you have stated openly on the forums that you not only believe burning is okay, but that you burn items EVERY GAME YOU PLAY. How you reason that banning someone for abusing the "glitch" of burning makes any sense as all is beyond me, and I hope the moderators on [ENT] can agree.

@ [ENT] moderators - if multi-boxing is bannable, would you mind including it in the main rules? Or, if I happen to be looking at the wrong page < viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4 >, please let me know. Thanks!

[mild7777seven]

A few notes on this:

1. Who is actually in charge of whether or not burning items is a "glitch" in Battleships? "Glitch" implies "error in programming" - there seems to be massive dispute over whether this is actually the case! The high level players all do this regularly, and teach the newer players (myself included) to burn. If this is something game moderators are actually going to start banning people for, the whole game is going to get turned upside down.
Also, to quote YOU, mild7777seven, "I am not talking about burning items. I burn items every game." These are your words, which can be found on < viewtopic.php?f=24&t=25305&p=113466#p113466 > and clearly demonstrate the absurdity of your claim that other people should be banned for burning, but not you. To drive the point home, I'll quote you a second time, "I agree that burning is ok." < viewtopic.php?f=8&t=25300&p=113465#p113465 >

2. Is multi-boxing is considered the use of a utility? The rules state "The use of any utility that gives you an unfair advantage over other players will result in a permanent ban." It isn't clear that this includes having a second computer - you're still only using the single utility, wc3 itself. I didn't realize until now that multi-boxing might even be considered banning, since the term "multi-boxing" only shows up once on the rules page - very specifically under "Island Defense".

@ mild7777seven: you have stated openly on the forums that you not only believe burning is okay, but that you burn items EVERY GAME YOU PLAY. How you reason that banning someone for abusing the "glitch" of burning makes any sense as all is beyond me, and I hope the moderators on [ENT] can agree.

@ [ENT] moderators - if multi-boxing is bannable, would you mind including it in the main rules? Or, if I happen to be looking at the wrong page < viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4 >, please let me know. Thanks!

I burned items for the purpose of upgrade items, not giving gold. dude, why cant u just play in a normal way?

[Stealer]

@art)y ban-dodge? , https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=3023111

Who is actually in charge of whether or not burning items is a "glitch" in Battleships?

ent mods.
viewtopic.php?p=94976#p94976
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=23708

To drive the point home, I'll quote you a second time, "I agree that burning is ok."

Killing you is legal and ethical.
Just because you wrote something doesn't make it true. Ent mods have deemed it glitching and you're welcome to create ban request's about it.

Is multi-boxing is considered the use of a utility?

kloader is a utility. Multi-boxing is equivalent to kloader.
Regardless of the semantics, he was giving himself a massive advantage (as shown by his 100% win rate) and the reason for the third party programs is to ensure all players are on equal footing (which they were not).

I burned items for the purpose of upgrade items, not giving gold. dude, why cant u just play in a normal way?

Still considered glitching and is what bloom got banned for.

@mild7777seven if you're going to quote me (""), don't edit what the quote says its just misleading.

[mild7777seven]

@art)y ban-dodge? , https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=3023111

Who is actually in charge of whether or not burning items is a "glitch" in Battleships?

ent mods.
viewtopic.php?p=94976#p94976
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=23708

To drive the point home, I'll quote you a second time, "I agree that burning is ok."

Killing you is legal and ethical.
Just because you wrote something doesn't make it true. Ent mods have deemed it glitching and you're welcome to create ban request's about it.

Is multi-boxing is considered the use of a utility?

kloader is a utility. Multi-boxing is equivalent to kloader.
Regardless of the semantics, he was giving himself a massive advantage (as shown by his 100% win rate) and the reason for the third party programs is to ensure all players are on equal footing (which they were not).

I burned items for the purpose of upgrade items, not giving gold. dude, why cant u just play in a normal way?

Still considered glitching and is what bloom got banned for.

@mild7777seven if you're going to quote me (""), don't edit what the quote says its just misleading.

1. I really do not know that even burn my own item is a subject to ban. But this does not make sense, if burning is not allowed, why does it exist? And now, if i do not do that, i will be in a huge disadvantage cuz almost every player is doing that.

I am not complaining. But i really think you should either remove the burning or allow it.

I still think @lolships was banned for pooling or multi-box, which is the key for his unfair advantage, not the burning. Burning is just the way he reached that.

2. I am sorry if my quote make u upset. I was just thinking u made a good summary on that case. And i was facing the exactly same situation. You write better than I who speak english as a second language. All I changed are just the user name this kinda stuff. but anyway, sorry again

[lolships]

"Killing you is legal and ethical.
Just because you wrote something doesn't make it true. Ent mods have deemed it glitching and you're welcome to create ban request's about it."

Not sure what you're getting at with the bit about killing me. Beyond that, you mean that anyone who reports anyone else for item burning for full gold, independent of pooling or anything else, is liable to get a ban? That's just unreasonable. The entirety of serious play works with that. Why do you refuse to even consider the definition of the term "glitch"?

"kloader is a utility. Multi-boxing is equivalent to kloader.
Regardless of the semantics, he was giving himself a massive advantage (as shown by his 100% win rate) and the reason for the third party programs is to ensure all players are on equal footing (which they were not)."

So your argument is this: somebody created a program (utility) to accomplish what someone can do without the utility. Therefor, anytime somebody does the copied act, they are in effect utilizing a utility?

If people actually start getting banned for burning, Battleships is going to take a big hit in players and quality of play. If multi-boxing is actually against the rules, can a moderator please put it in the rules?
ty, gl, hf.

[aRt)Y]

User is already banned. The IP is banned on all realms. Was probably a game before/shortly after ban.