lying about modes

[Drahque]

I got this http://atl.entgaming.net/replay/view_re ... 795404.w3g , should be enough evidence that all of west knew it was supposed to be hybrid in game

I clearly stated that I knew 2-3 people spoke about playing hybrid, but I can't change that Furbolg/Achilles were missinformed:
- The fact that Furbolg picked hpgmcb, proofs that he didn't know he had to pick hybrid.
- The fact that Achillesgr didn't wanna draw the game, means we had no chance to draw.
- The fact that Achillesgr never agreed pre-sign, post-host or after the game were started, means we weren't allowed to go hybrid anyways.

Unfortunately I can't prove that they all agreed it would be hybrid

Maybe because everyone didn't agree. Another time make sure we all agree before the game starts and if the game start then at least pause the game before mode is picked.

Seriously I expect better from people here, is that "easy elo" really worth it?

Free elo? We played the standard mode with everything according to the rules, both teams had equal chances of winning those no "unfairness". We all had prophet and random rolls as usual.

I'm not gonna bother posting anymore here untill Achillesgr or Furbolg says something, since I don't like being blamed someone else picking a mode you didn't expect/like ..

[BA_Fail]

That we're playing fair and square and I like to put myself in the head of the opposite scenario as well:

rofl at this

- If east team had won, they would most likely not have posted about this or not bothered as much.
- If hybrid was picked and east team won, then Achillesgr had the rights to ask the same, since he didn't agree to hybrid.

you are correct, if we won I wouldn't post about it, but you guys wouldn't be able to do anything about it since you guys were the ones that didn't want to draw at the start.

I'm one of the honest people that you could meet it's in the nature of autism

was already disproved, maybe you aren't autistic either.

I clearly stated that I knew 2-3 people spoke about playing hybrid, but I can't change that Furbolg/Achilles were missinformed:
- The fact that Furbolg picked hpgmcb, proofs that he didn't know he had to pick hybrid.

(00:28 / All) RealFurbolg: wtf
(00:29 / All) RealFurbolg: sry
(00:30 / Allied) Drahque: no hybrid?
(00:30 / All) RealFurbolg: !draw
you were saying?

- The fact that Achillesgr didn't wanna draw the game, means we had no chance to draw.

the fact that he had elite archers says otherwise

- The fact that Achillesgr never agreed pre-sign, post-host or after the game were started, means we weren't allowed to go hybrid anyways.

Not sure what you're trying to say here

[Drahque]

you are correct, if we won I wouldn't post about it, but you guys wouldn't be able to do anything about it since you guys were the ones that didn't want to draw at the start.

Don't you see the paradox? You're clearly upset about the rolls and that you lost the game. What I said, were that IF he had picked hybrid and we had lost the game, how would you feel about Achillesgr posting that he never agreed to hybrid, and those wanted the game to be voided? Just because he lost (that's what I meant about turning the scenario around). AND, if you were the ones who rolled Archers and Ygg, you probably wouldn't have wanted to draw either.

(00:28 / All) RealFurbolg: wtf
(00:29 / All) RealFurbolg: sry
(00:30 / Allied) Drahque: no hybrid?
(00:30 / All) RealFurbolg: !draw

Yes, I did anticipate hybrid mode and I said that on page 1 already. But since we never agreed
- But RealFurbolg and Achillesgr never agreed to go hybrid, and we never checked/asked either.

Not sure what you're trying to say here

I'm saying that we couldn't pick hybrid when only 4 out of 6 people agreed. As Supersexxy stated:

Did 100% of the players agree to hybrid?

No, only 75 % of the players agreed to hybrid, so Furbolg didn't have the rights to pick -hpgm anyways.

END OF STORY; no need to discuss anything else or blame me for following the rules.

[BA_Fail]

Don't you see the paradox? You're clearly upset about the rolls and that you lost the game. What I said, were that IF he had picked hybrid and we had lost the game, how would you feel about Achillesgr posting that he never agreed to hybrid, and those wanted the game to be voided? Just because he lost (that's what I meant about turning the scenario around). AND, if you were the ones who rolled Archers and Ygg, you probably wouldn't have wanted to draw either.

I'm sorry we aren't all like you and achilles, I would draw as the mode that was supposed to be picked was hybrid. I had turrets which is my favorite unit, even better than elite imo.

(00:28 / All) RealFurbolg: wtf
(00:29 / All) RealFurbolg: sry
(00:30 / Allied) Drahque: no hybrid?
(00:30 / All) RealFurbolg: !draw

Yes, I did anticipate hybrid mode and I said that on page 1 already. But since we never agreed
- But RealFurbolg and Achillesgr never agreed to go hybrid, and we never checked/asked either.

Please stop this, they both agreed to it and you know it. feigning ignorance so that others won't be as harsh on you would of worked if there was no evidence, but there is and you're only hurting yourself.

Not sure what you're trying to say here

I'm saying that we couldn't pick hybrid when only 4 out of 6 people agreed. As Supersexxy stated:

Did 100% of the players agree to hybrid?[/quote]

No, only 75 % of the players agreed to hybrid, so Furbolg didn't have the rights to pick -hpgm anyways.

END OF STORY; no need to discuss anything else or blame me for following the rules.

Funny the story hasn't ended, I can blame you for not wanting to draw as well as achilles. Achilles did apologize to me though while you didn't, and furbolg may have done the mistake of not putting hybrid but he tried to make up for it by drawing. The only ones at fault here would be you and achillesgr. But at least achilles has the decency to apologize for screwing us over, while you go on as if its just another day in the in house league.

[iightfyre]

(00:28 / All) RealFurbolg: wtf
(00:29 / All) RealFurbolg: sry
(00:30 / Allied) Drahque: no hybrid?
(00:30 / All) RealFurbolg: !draw

This looks to me like Furbolg realized that he picked the wrong mode. In this case, the game should have been !draw if it was supposed to be -hpgm hybrid.

1. We can nullify the game and constitute this as a warning to all players that it is a violation of ENT rules to lie about game modes. (NOT saying that Furbolg was lying. Just mentioning that it IS in fact against ENT rules to not follow said game mode)

I will wait for another admin to verify if this is the correct course of action, but I feel it is appropriate for this circumstance.

[Drahque]

This looks to me like Furbolg realized that he picked the wrong mode. In this case, the game should have been !draw if it was supposed to be -hpgm hybrid.

1. We can nullify the game and constitute this as a warning to all players that it is a violation of ENT rules to lie about game modes. (NOT saying that Furbolg was lying. Just mentioning that it IS in fact against ENT rules to not follow said game mode)

We never lied about the mode, there is nothing to proof that everyone agreed on playing hybrid, so there is no reason to punish is for following the rules?

Furbolg just didn't care what mode we played, but apparently Achilles did, which is the reason he didn't draw the game. And since we at NO point did check if everyone agreed on picking another mode than the rules states, Furbolg didn't have the right to pick it after all. In all 3 places; channel, pre-start and in-game, did we ever make sure that everyone were up for hybrid.


And as you can see on the picture, Furbolg wasn't aware about the game being hybrid nor did we ever all agree to it:

[supersexyy]

So when he said 'wtf, sorry' he was blindly apologising and didn't know hyb was agreed upon?

[iightfyre]

^ This

[Drahque]

So when he said 'wtf, sorry' he was blindly apologising and didn't know hyb was agreed upon?

It's a normal reaction if your neutral about something and you realise you made someone unhappy? Also, he said wtf since it didn't come up in his mind to pick hybrid - since we never spoke about it since the channel and never checked before we started or before the mode were picked, that everyone agreed.

And even if he was okay with hybrid, we never checked if Achilles was. So we didn't have the rights to pick hybrid anyways.

[supersexyy]

You're not making much sense..

[BA_Fail]

@drahque pretty sure he meant that hes used to putting -hpgmcb prophet as that is normal mode, and once he put it he recalled it was supposed to be hybrid. I know for a fact that he specifically said that he can make a hybrid game so that we can go 3s instead of me chicken and izno going public leaving you guys with only 3 people.

Regardless, just let the admins handle it unless you actually have something worthwhile to contribute.

[iightfyre]

I think the bottom line is that players are complaining because they only joined the game thinking it was going to be hybrid. In that situation we should nullify the game in my opinion. No "punishment" is necessary.

The game would not have happened in the first place if all players thought it would be prophet. IMO just null the game and go about our lives as if it were never played in the first place.

[Drahque]

You're not making much sense..

What I'm saying is, that we hadn't even mentioned the word hybrid since the game was hosted or before the game were started. If you check the chat from the start-room (after joining map, before game starts), we did never check if everyone agreed on it and we didn't even speak about hybrid. The only place hybrid was mentioned, was in the Lihl channel, where BA_Fail and Chicken (2 out of 6) suggest to play hybrid. But nobody commented on it, or at least for sure, not everyone.

Anyways, it's not worth discussing words against words. The fact is, we have no way to proof who's right here, those no way to safely act upon it. And the truth is, that BA_fail said he hadn't reported it, if he had won. So this is indeed bullcrap.

I know for a fact that he specifically said that he can make a hybrid game so that we can go 3s instead of me chicken and izno going public leaving you guys with only 3 people.

Even if Furbolg did agree, we never checked or knew if Achilles did, those we weren't allowed to go Hybrid afterall. Also, you should check that EVERYONE agrees, before you sign or at least before the game is !start'ed.

[Feor]

You guys agreed ( it can be found on chat logs ) and therefore they signed.

All the bullshit you say afterwards to cover for your ill-mannered actions are making 0 sence.

You acted like shit ( all your team ) and you deserve more than a warning in my opinion ( especially because instead of apoligizing you try to cover your shit up ).

[BA_Fail]

Anyways, it's not worth discussing words against words. The fact is, we have no way to proof who's right here, those no way to safely act upon it. And the truth is, that BA_fail said he hadn't reported it, if he had won. So this is indeed bullcrap.

There is proof that anyone who can read should be able to grasp what was supposed to happen. Your second argument is useless as well, as that is a "what if situation", and we were trying to draw from the start. West didn't want to draw, and had we won, it would just be considered us beating the jerks who didn't want to draw a game that wasn't supposed to happen. And I would of course fight for a situation like that had you guys tried to report it, as it is wests fault for not drawing at the start.