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How to Play Bane.

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:44 pm
by FlowerSnow
(MY ENGLISH IS BAD)
This hero is so fucking op. i hate this hero
Bane is one of the stongest hero at solo mid .
i'd say hes in Top3.
ive never seen good bane player in Ent.
I saw some players know how to play but not good enough.

Some Tips.
Item build.
Mid ( ) <- optional
4 branch + sobimask./ regen ring / souring / (urn , bottle ) / boots / staff of wizard / belf of strength / book 1 2 3 /
pointbooster / orgeaxe / staff of wizardry / blade of alaricty . and travel dagger hex <- it doesnt matter which item you get first.
skill build
mid . ill just say 1 / 2 / 3 first / second / 3rd skill
nightmare / 2 / 2 / stat / 2 / 4 / 2 / 3 / 3 / 3 / 4 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / ~~
-> in case its hard to cs coz of
( sf , bs ) 1 / 2 / 2 / 3 / 2 / 4 / 2 / 3 / 3 / 3 / 4 / 1 / 1 / 1 / ~
PUB STOMP
-> stat / 2 / 2 / 3 / 2 / 4 / 2 /stat~until lv 10 / 4 / stat until lv 15 / 4

Hero Control.
tbh its so difficult to lose with bane at mid. csing or w/e
high attack dmg , motion , attack speed . from lv 3 with attack + brain ( pure dmg ftw )
try to stay on higher hp than enemy / focus on deny make your enemy get fucked . if you get on highground, you will get lv 6 first when you get after lv6 below 700 hp will die instatly. (lv 7 bane can kill until 780hp)
you need to focus on gank but dont forget farming as well. In dota there is no hero which gank only
all of the ganker needs farm too. you need to farm well so you can get book asap.
tho 2 ppl came to gank you. sleep and run ( if your team came to help you, you can even counter gank them )
if you got book earier , bane is just a badass. CHANGE TO GANK KING MODE . 1st target = carry.
even tho its pub, think like ( there will be wards on map ) . just to make sure , use smoke , go to their farming zone . if you think your hands are quick enough, book - > ult . but if you cant trust your hands nightmare - > book - > ult
cent? tree? tide? just instant kill.
someone prob think why not focus on teamfight?
Dota is 5v5. if you cut 1, at least you are doing your job. if you meet 2. you can run away after you get 1 .
the best time is you met 2 heroes . you got 1 . someone tped to kill you . thats perfect initiation.( if you can runaway )
Bane can do that.
About TeamFight.
You need sence.
dont try to sleep when we are attacking. if your carry fallen in to sleep by attacking... OMG
not a 1st target from your team. try to sleep hero coming to help him.
and infible - > ult to next hero. try to disable as many as possible.
Let me say this clearly.
tho you cant make that fast enough. do it. because if you use anyone in their team. it can be useless. bane has pretty long cd so your ult can be stopped or you cant use at all
if they have bkb on carry . wait for him to use bkb and use it.
if they are waiting to cancel your ult , make bkb instead of scepter .
try to attack their int heroes with your books but manaburn their strength hero.

nightmare 140 (pure dmg )
Ult 1520 magic dmg ( 700mana - 328 )
book ( 1112 melee dmg + 150 magic dmg + ( manaburn -825 )
brain ( 300 pure dmg )
Total Dmg 3225 + (mana - 1153) lol
warrior and archer has 1sec base attack time ..

someone requested me about bane.
im not writting this anymore.. ill write when i get my english better LOL
if you guys wanna learn specific hero, come and play with me.. its will be easier

Re: How to Play Bane.

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:53 am
by zerodenies
awesome guide, really interesting to see your thoughts!

you said bane is top 3... I'm curious to know who is the other 2?

Re: How to Play Bane.

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:06 am
by NutzSucksHard
Lich is in top 3. I guess. Maybe not, we have all different view of hero. :)

Re: How to Play Bane.

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:24 am
by zerodenies
yea your probably right. i was thinking lich and bat for the other two

Re: How to Play Bane.

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:41 am
by FlowerSnow
NutzSucksHard wrote:Lich is in top 3. I guess. Maybe not, we have all different view of hero. :)


It is. lich is in top 3

Re: How to Play Bane.

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:41 am
by FlowerSnow
zerodenies wrote:yea your probably right. i was thinking lich and bat for the other two


used to be sd until disruption got nerfed

Re: How to Play Bane.

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:25 am
by QTriNitY
I have seen top choices and top bans.
Magnus and KotL.

RP-Reverse Polarity scales well into late game.
KotL is an anti pusher and pusher. Another plus point about him is he can summon bought back heroes. If his team's carry has an aegis, you will have to face the carry 3 times.

Re: How to Play Bane.

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:41 am
by FlowerSnow
QTriNitY wrote:I have seen top choices and top bans.
Magnus and KotL.

RP-Reverse Polarity scales well into late game.
KotL is an anti pusher and pusher. Another plus point about him is he can summon bought back heroes. If his team's carry has an aegis, you will have to face the carry 3 times.


umm its not about cm or cd
im just talking about bane

Re: How to Play Bane.

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:54 pm
by Spectre
Bane is op only in 1v1 situations in team clashes hes not shining that much.

For me top heroes are: magna, spectre, necro and krob if played well they carry the game. All of their skills scales perfectly into lategame. Heroes worth to mention would be sven, lina, kotl, tide, kunka, potm and few more.

Re: How to Play Bane.

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:20 pm
by Tascar
My solution to bane was to ignore dpsing him completely, and focus on denying asap. Even if the creep is at half health I start hitting it... usually the mid 1v1 solos all have better range than bane and then his strategy becomes completely focused on last hitting the creeps or getting denied. You can even ignore your own CS and just focus on denies.

Because you have longer range than him, it's easier for you to deny. Similarly, if you start pretending to attack him to draw creeps it'll push the lane forward even more. You should not be underleveled against bane like you would against lich or OD. If you are feeling iffy toward level 5, you can even pay for a teammate to tp mid with you. Bane can't kill a person 1v2 at all, and then every minute that bane is mid is a minute wasted. Yes, you can argue that another lane will be suffering 1v2 as well, but you've essentially neutralized the great danger at mid. Bane can murder you even by tower diving 1v1, whereas bane centric teams will find it difficult to dive a turtler at your tower 2v1 at levels 3 or 4. Eventually, you can trade positions with another lane so you have 2 mid level guys (level 5?) against a level 7 or 8 bane, while you take the 1v2 position and just survive.

Once everyone on your team is level 8-9 bane is much less of a threat. Beyond the laning phase, proper choice of allies can completely screw over bane. I'm not sure if they patched it, but in the past you could counterpick with naix; you'd enrage, and then attack a slept ally which would wake up the ally, but not naix, completely wasting a skill.

Re: How to Play Bane.

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:28 pm
by thomas.kacz
Spectre wrote:Bane is op only in 1v1 situations in team clashes hes not shining that much.


bane is op 1v1, 2v2, 3v3
imagine a 3v3 clash, bane nightmares one hero and fiends grip another. in other words he is stopping two enemy heroes from attacking. your other two allies can go fuck up the remaining one in 5 seconds.

if your playing against bane and one of your allies leaves or gets disconnected... your in bad shape. if two of your allies are gone... gg.

Re: How to Play Bane.

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:48 pm
by Frank
I feel like morphling is the only hero that can survive bane mid since morph goes through both nightmare and grip therefore wasting banes level 7 kill potential.

Re: How to Play Bane.

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:56 pm
by Random
enfeeble in lane is debatable. Use it against heroes with high base damage and no abilities to clear waves (examples: od/viper/kunkka). You should be able to out last hit and deny pretty much every other laner. If you're aggressive enough, you should be able to kill the opposing laner before level 6 and then again at level 6 (considering that its pub level). Sleep them at 3/4-half health after trading hits and then hit into a brain sap to finish them off. Most people won't realize this until they're dead until its too late. Another thing to think about is getting stats after you max brain sap and sleep. Bane's pretty squishy without stats and gets burst down really quickly. If the other team has lots of nukes, you might want to invest in jango for the hp and mana as well as chasing ability. Meka is also really good. Mana management is important if you go treads/phase/tranquil/BoT instead of arcane. Bane's mana pool is pretty decent even without int items, but his spells are really mana intensive. He's not a hero where you should spam skills and you should only use them when you're either sure to get a kill, or a favorable position in lane. If you go treads, remember to treads switch for mana, and then treads switch to agi to get more mana from bottle, or soul ring or w/e. Hardest part about playing bane is disabling properly. Most of this comes from positioning (hide in trees/abuse fog/staying out of focus) and initiation. When going for 1v1 kills, ALWAYS sleep first. I completely disagree with straight up ulting unless you have no mana for your entire combo. Even if you waste a sleep, your opponent will be taking maximum damage afterwards. Also if you book+ult, then brain sap and then sleep, they have a chance to stun you if you don't chain properly. If you sleep first, then they can't respond to your ult. Make sure to mana drain directly with your necrominion for damage because your ult also drains mana. In 1v2 or more sleep the disabler, enfeeble the carry, then either ult the semi-carry or the carry. Shit I really went into detail. Thanks to anyone who actually read all of this.