Stalling as builder.

[Sabishii]

I know we have talk about this lots of time before, but can we add a rule like, if LAST BUILDER alive is unable to base like [DEMO, MAG] they should suicide or not stall for more than 10min ??
I had this game when the mag just camp in a seed with avatar form and make me waste 17min trying to kill him.
http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 082014.w3g

[ShadowZz]

Quite agree with this :/

[Haunt]

http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?title=EntGaming:Rules

Do not refuse to play the game in an attempt to ruin it (grieving).
Do not ruin the game on purpose.

Just saying....

[Sabishii]

Burn always say, builder can't stall as long as you have good micro on titan, what if we don't ? Titan that were supposed to win a game, but people might just keep teleporting and camping in seeds and hope that titan desync for the unfair win.

[Merex]

Or, if you have an army of minions (like every winning titan should) you can just use 1 msog, eye him before he tp/nethers and kill him (only speaking in demo terms). Mags are quite easier pre-wrath, even then just camp outside the seed until duration over and gg.

[Burn]

The purpose of the builder is to survive as long as possible.
The purpose of the titan is to kill all remaining builders.

You can't really ban the builder for what he's supposed to be doing. Stalling as builder is actually so much more exciting than sitting in a base and whacking the tree, with the occassional re-wall.

If my end-game suggestion passes, maybe we'll even get more builder stallers.

End-game suggestion: http://www.islanddefense.org/forum/inde ... l#msg70534

-Burn

[n3w_3ra]

This is arguably my most heated subject of debate.

As someone who titans more then they choose builder builder stalling should be a ban 1000000000000%. We already have trouble getting people to titan, but when they do and they kill 9/10 builders and there is a wall walling satyr being a fucking cunt. It ruins the game and all of the fun. I don't want to spend 5-10 minutes pearling entire map and then having to kill him while he den walks until the end of time. I just alt qq and go next lobby and take the elo loss. I'm not here to play cat and mouse I joined to stomp we bases and siege and get fun ww kills at mid. Its utter bullshit and so two sided. Its 1 vs 10 and everyone knows builder is more fun. If anything the titan should always have the upper hand in conversation because without people titaning say goodbye to island defense. I've opened tons of tickets to ban faggots that delay the end of the game. I'm a level 16 titan with full items you're not gonna win so it's game over suicide ffs stop being a little cunt

[ShadowZz]

@n3w_3ra go comment to remove wall-walking. Solves half your issue Also I completely agree with you.

[Merex]

As someone who titans more then they choose builder builder stalling should be a ban 1000000000000%. We already have trouble getting people to titan, but when they do and they kill 9/10 builders and there is a wall walling satyr being a fucking cunt. It ruins the game and all of the fun. I don't want to spend 5-10 minutes pearling entire map and then having to kill him while he den walks until the end of time. I just alt qq and go next lobby and take the elo loss. I'm not here to play cat and mouse I joined to stomp we bases and siege and get fun ww kills at mid. Its utter bullshit and so two sided. Its 1 vs 10 and everyone knows builder is more fun. If anything the titan should always have the upper hand in conversation because without people titaning say goodbye to island defense. I've opened tons of tickets to ban faggots that delay the end of the game. I'm a level 16 titan with full items you're not gonna win so it's game over suicide ffs stop being a little cunt

Part 1 of your argument is invalid as satyr isn't even in the game for starters. Secondly, it's just as easy to find a lone builder then it is to chase others around while they remain alive. Considering you've got an army of minions as I stated, 1 msog, 1 eye of the ocean and maybe a wotw and they're dead. Sure, it's annoying, but it shouldn't really be considered ban-able.

I'm with Burn on this suggestion, there is no abuse nor is there is a change in gameplay. Essentially, every builder is suppose to survive. Is that not what they're doing?

[Haunt]

Guys calm your tits.

It's this simple. If you refuse to play (e.g. afk in seed) you can get banned. It's in General rules.

No need to argue about it. If you want that rule changed, go post suggestion.

#LessQQMorePewPew

[Merex]

The current discussion does not revolve around refusal to play but merely surviving in the late game.

[aRt)Y]

refusing to play != afk != stalling. FYI

Burn always say, builder can't stall as long as you have good micro on titan, what if we don't ? Titan that were supposed to win a game, but people might just keep teleporting and camping in seeds and hope that titan desync for the unfair win.

Too bad - for you. We wont add rules to balance players' skills. And just so you know, if there's just one builder left, it means you probably have more than one unit as titan. Buy MSoG and pearl the map. 15sec > 360sec tp cd

Instead of suggesting something like this, you could improve on playing as titan and countering stallers by predicting their next moves or enhance your microing.

[Sabishii]

So you just pearl the whole map to find a avatar mag sitting in a seed, and when you come, he just tp to another seeds and wait for avatar again ?

[aRt)Y]

So you just pearl the whole map to find a avatar mag sitting in a seed, and when you come, he just tp to another seeds and wait for avatar again ?

Avatar and tp have what a cooldown? MSoG has what cd?

I didn't say it goes fast, I just said it is possible and there's no need to have it banned. Plus, if the mag has avatar and a perma tp, then you most likely did something wrong anyway or the situation wont even occur due to said skills mag has.

[Lynx]

Tip: if builder is stalling, go do something for 10 minutes and he will most likely have gone afk or left the game. It's only fun for him as long as you're trying to chase him.